54 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

You said you don't understand the logic of fake claiming...it seems that you're right, except it's your claim that is illogical. Why would a real cop throw accusations like crazy at a person who is hypothetically fake claiming when the claimer has shown no threat to them or, in fact, anyone at all?

ImpCap:What does this mean? If you were fake claiming, wouldn't you expect to get counter claimed?

36 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

I was just about to take a closer look at him when the fake claim happened.

JJ:This puzzles me. ImpCap claimed 23 hours ago. Your post was 6 hours ago.

Also guys I'm seriously running out of steam. It would be great to get some other reactions to this **** ASAP. I've got to sleep soon.

Part of me feels like Impcap covers for Oni because he knew town would be all over his *** for being quiet D1.

Ovi comes out swinging with Vote analysis D2, kind of useful, but also really easy to tailor to your own narrative. And he did excuse himself from any blame sinking Vis.. because well, he wasnt being opportunistic, he was being 'pro town' although any other votes attempting to be pro town can be as scummy as ovi wants to push them as.

Imps double vanilla claim also seems convenient after you planted the seed ninja, Good chance to get 4 town at each other all day whilst others sit back laughing and smiling, until counterclaimed.

So just remembered ImpCap mistaking CNinja for JJ constantly, which was interesting

On 9/28/2017 at 5:43 PM, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Just noticed the irony in this post. CNinja was the first vote on Madaghmire within 5 minutes after I suggested it. Hmm. I know that being first on the lynch train is less suspicious than going last, but this eagerness still rings a few alarm bells to me.

Ideas? It would be good to hear some more from @JJs Juggernaut ...

On 9/28/2017 at 5:45 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:

Say what? I didn't vote Madaghmire.

On 9/28/2017 at 5:46 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:

Also, @ImperialCaptain2017 that is the 2nd "mistake" on me you make (earlier confusing me with JJ.)

What gives?

More importantly, is this:

On 9/29/2017 at 5:18 PM, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Hi all,

So...as for Ovi, I see what he's doing as just out of character, not scum. I like Onidsen's idea to lynch one of Norell or Vis and have the cop investigate the other. However, it is possible that one of them could be hiding a power role, in which case we would be thoroughly screwed. We'll have to take the risk, though, so I'll put my vote where my suspicion is:

##vote Norell

On 9/29/2017 at 5:50 PM, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

I should have clarified-I meant a town power role, i.e. Doc or Cop.

So here ImpCap is aware killing Norell might kill a power role, but doesn't seemed to concerned with it. This could either mean a) he is telling the truth about his claim and isn't afraid of killing a power role because he is the "good" role or b) is scum and wouldn't be afraid of killing a power role because that is good for scum.

Does anyone have thoughts on this? I'm about to do some spelunking for JJ posts.

8 Players, 5 to hammer:

1. @JJs Juggernaut (1) Ovi
2. @CaribbeanNinja
3. @Norell
4. @ImperialCaptain2017 (1) JJ
5. @TheToad
6. @ovinomanc3r
7. @PodRacer
8. @Caldias (1) Toad
9. Novote

13 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Imps double vanilla claim also seems convenient after you planted the seed ninja, Good chance to get 4 town at each other all day whilst others sit back laughing and smiling, until counterclaimed.

Yeah but how could he have known the counter claim would come so late?

Part of me feels like Impcap covers for Oni because he knew town would be all over his *** for being quiet D1.

Ovi comes out swinging with Vote analysis D2, kind of useful, but also really easy to tailor to your own narrative. And he did excuse himself from any blame sinking Vis.. because well, he wasnt being opportunistic, he was being 'pro town' , but can also call anyone else voting to be pro town as scummy as he likes.

The worst thing about JJs call is the timing, but i think revealing before his long break would have been too early, D1 P1 miller time would have been when i made that claim knowing i was gonna be gone for long period of the game near lylo.

As it is only a few of us have been obliged to contribute to save our town asses whilst others get a free pass to sit out the day. Never seen anything like that before.

Both claim to have investigated Norell and hes town, Does he have a vote out?

2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah but how could he have known the counter claim would come so late?

He didnt know(or care maybe) when he would be counter claimed I dont think, as long as he got what t he was looking for, the remaining power role in the open. As well as losing a day today, its likely this debate rolls on well into the next as well?

Thats why i asked you how dangerous ovis analysis was as scum, because he clearly wants a no vote or to out the cop, and hel now likely get both

On 9/26/2017 at 8:09 PM, EbonHawk said:

On @Caldias , he 'claims' vanilla and then claims to not be claiming

In a game with enough vanilla to open an ice cream store, seems logical to roll with it if you're town or not, yet he puts himself in the grey area of not claiming

To me this doesn't sound scummy it sounds cop or doc... which makes the most sense imo, but I'll be reading his posts with a fine toothcomb from now on

This draws me to a close until tomorrow during my lunch break, which means I decide on my vote now...

As some of the last interaction we had from him was jumping on a meta post and then complete silence after that my suspicions for the night fall on JJ

##vote @JJs Juggernaut

This is the best I could come up with on JJ (aside from CNinja's interesting snippet about JJ's reacting to ImpCap's claim)

On 9/28/2017 at 8:50 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Okay, this has been a very interesting turn of events. I'm just letting you guys know I'm going to be very quiet the next few IRL days. I have projects to finish tonight/tomorrow, then I'll be on the road 16 hours over the weekend as well as being out in the "wilderness" during that time. Depending on who drives, I might be able to check during driving time or in the evening.

Now back to the game. As I said earlier, I didn't have a strong feeling about Mad, but I think the vote on him did give us a good place to start. The last few votes are always the most suspicious. Out of the final four votes on Mad (Oni, myself, Vis, and Norell), I'm most suspicious of Vis and Norell. Oni is reading very town to me, though I don't think we have ever seen him as a scum player yet? I think Vis's play seems the most opportunistic and so I'm going to put my vote on him for now.

##vote Visovics

As for the night kill on Ebon, that was rather unexpected. I has some suspicions about him, so it seems weird scum would go for a kill on him, unless they are trying to throw some shade on to me...speaking of which, ImpCap seemed to have suggested that already. Then he goes and asks for my input, something about that just feels slightly off to me. I just looked again, I totally forgot he was also in on the Mad vote. What do you have to say about that Imp?

On 9/28/2017 at 10:10 PM, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Well, to clarify, I started the Mads vote (on a crazy hypothesis right before I went to bed).

As for you, JJ, I was curious about the EbonHawk thing that you brought up in your post, and you answered my question. You said that scum were throwing shade on you by killing him. However, from our perspective (or at least from mine) it could look like you or an ally of yours killed him to keep us off your trail. Just saying that it can seem that way...

On 9/28/2017 at 11:19 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Why would killing Ebon accomplish that? If anything it draws attention to his arguments.

Pod, it wasn't so much Norell's input, as it was the fact that a scum would probably be less likely to stick their neck out and be the last vote, especially when at that point Norell had to either choose Mad or cause a no-vote. Vis on the other hand, swapped to the Mad train while the Cal wagon might still have been an option.

What's interesting is Ebon's death. Again, we have two scenarios a) JJ is telling the truth and scum is being clever, killing someone who accused JJ, or b) JJ is scum and killed Ebon due to him being on the right track.

Unsure which way to go, but my gut is telling me to follow Ovi's lead, if only because his instincts have been right. Of course, he could be scum if JJ is telling the truth, and has the "right instincts" because he knows what faction everyone is. But the fact that he was against a Norell/Vis lynch off makes me inclined to trust him, but this of course could just be jedi master scum play.

What do others think? JJ and ImpCap I could see going either way, honestly. ImpCap has definitely had some weird posts, JJ has been pretty quiet and said a few weird things too that are already pointed out.

45 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

ImpCap:What does this mean? If you were fake claiming, wouldn't you expect to get counter claimed?

JJ:This puzzles me. ImpCap claimed 23 hours ago. Your post was 6 hours ago.

I would expect a counter-claim, but I'm not fake claiming, so...

Honestly, though, what I meant was that if he was the true cop, I hadn't said anything all that threatening to attract his attention. If I was a fake claimer, wouldn't I make it a bit more interesting?

25 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

I would expect a counter-claim, but I'm not fake claiming, so...

Honestly, though, what I meant was that if he was the true cop, I hadn't said anything all that threatening to attract his attention. If I was a fake claimer, wouldn't I make it a bit more interesting?

I must be just super tired. I just don't get what you are saying.

@Norell , @TheToad where are you?

Okay I'm sorry guys I've gotta turn in. Here's my thinking.

i read back the D1 and I didn't see once where ImpCap found Ovinomanc3r sketchy. However, JJ did put a vote on me. Imp cap questioned me, Cal, JJ all before putting his vote on Mads.

Investigating Ovi makes less sense to me.

If I'm wrong, I'm very sorry.

##vote ImperialCaptain2017

At this point I have accepted my fate either way, so I'll put in my vote before I get lynched or scumkilled...and going to bed.

##vote JJs Juggernaut

4 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

@TheToad why did you vote Cal when your reason was that Pod defended him?

Your argument was that Pod was being scumly incoherent so Cal was scum also and Pod tried to protect him. With that logic I have to say that as long as it could be a scummy trick (to defend a town) the only sure thing in your logic was that Pod must be scum but you voted Cal. Again: why?

Just catching up and still need to read a page when I found this Q... I've been suspicious of Cal since D1 he was my strongest scum suspect

I better turn in, work 2 moro. Last post.

There so much going on here its hurting my brain to think about it.

Ovi backed up by impcap one one side with their let the scum play whilst we laugh game of today. they should have wanted to be leading that charge if it was a true cause.

Was ninja compliant in it? who knows, he seemed to take it all in good spirits whilst the rest of us feared for our lives, I didnt like his controlling of my vote at first but see NOW why I shouldnt be so hasty!

Norells double town with sprinkles and a flake.

Cals just Vanilla. Dont ask questions. Two cops missed this guy. Played super town. No bourbon.

Despite starting the day my scum read, toad has become almost a town read for me now. Clever use of emotional plea and imagery to win me over. I better not find you mocking me in the scumchat once this is done =) If you flip goon, I called it!

Ovi- whatever I say about ovi, do, vote or even look at funny will be scummy to this guy it feels like. After scum reading Toad for two walls now, im the scummer for thinking Toad may have been scummy apparently. Toad and JJ in cahoots Iv got no evidence of. and nor does he. . My candidate for Ebons killer in scumchat.

Should have seen this from point 1 of your first big post of the game but (Essex accent) WOtevaaa =)

JJ- wont be getting the docs protection tonight! you gon die! Good job tho, Ninja nearly had me thinking he killed ebon for a while there.

After catching up I'm going to

##vote JJ

sorry guys was at my FLG playing warmachine all afternoon

I can totally see it going either way, but I'll stick with Ovi's assessment, since he's seemed to have sound reasoning. And if he really is Jedi master scum, then he deserves to win for such a well played game.

##vote JJ

3 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

ImpCap:What does this mean? If you were fake claiming, wouldn't you expect to get counter claimed?

JJ:This puzzles me. ImpCap claimed 23 hours ago. Your post was 6 hours ago.

I was gone all weekend, remember!! I was just catching up the first time. I'm back now, I briefly saw votes for me. If I havn't been turbo'd yet the scum must already be on me. That will be important tomorrow so long as you don't kill me, if you do it's game over!!

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Part of me feels like Impcap covers for Oni because he knew town would be all over his *** for being quiet D1.

Ovi comes out swinging with Vote analysis D2, kind of useful, but also really easy to tailor to your own narrative. And he did excuse himself from any blame sinking Vis.. because well, he wasnt being opportunistic, he was being 'pro town' , but can also call anyone else voting to be pro town as scummy as he likes.

The worst thing about JJs call is the timing, but i think revealing before his long break would have been too early, D1 P1 miller time would have been when i made that claim knowing i was gonna be gone for long period of the game near lylo.

As it is only a few of us have been obliged to contribute to save our town asses whilst others get a free pass to sit out the day. Never seen anything like that before.

Both claim to have investigated Norell and hes town, Does he have a vote out?

Obviously I was gone before day 3 started...remember, I said I was leaving, and voted Vis right before that. I expected to nail Vis as scum or investigate Norell (the other "scum") and then wake up day 3 to reveal and bag a scum. Well I've bagged that scum now, but people aren't trusting me because he got out ahead of my claim. It's the perfect fake claim. So long as he was first it's throwing enough shade on me to swing people over for the last townie lynch for the scum win..

##unvote

I need to think about JJ's defense. My vote may go back where it was, but he does raise some good points.

No jj, you work with the toad.

.## vote Jjs juggernaut

nice try tho guys...

=) it seems only a double town can kill this vote, don't hold your breath that norell gets here

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

No jj, you work with the toad.

.## vote Jjs juggernaut

nice try tho guys...

Well, you are either scum, or being fooled. The early votes on me are most likely mainly scum, since the others aren't jumping on to Turbo. That's ImpCap (known), Toad, Cal and Ovi. Cal's unvote doesn't make sense for scum, otherwise they win. That leaves three, and I doubt all are scum. That makes me think it's Cap, Toad, and Pods last second attempt at a endgame lynch most likely makes him number 3. We have a fantastic shot at winning, so long as we kill our known scum! Come on Townies!

Literally everything's a maybe right now, everything. If I could have got you at least I woulda got a lead to get some answers (or lose the game) but I'm ready gamble. Everyone's fooling me yes, but I ain't scum.

the idea of a no vote sounds real good to me if there any one else out there that wants to the bottom of this, cos I'm ready to lynch my three as well, in a row without hitting town. And the current climate sees me unable to roll the dice.

Either that or I'm really tired

out of brainpower and having missed the lynch by seconds pod retires

## unvote

##no lynch

Ugh, sorry about the indecisiveness. I think I'm gonna vote back on JJ. Sorry, JJ, if you end up being town, but part of me just wants to end this, and a no lynch puts us back in the same boat, minus Norell. I was hoping to get his thoughts before voting, but c'est la vie. I am absolutely certain that if JJ flips scum, one if not both scum are probably voting for him, but it should be easy to narrow down. I am sorry if I somehow screwed us out of a hammer due to my indecisiveness.

##vote JJsJuggernaut