7 hours ago, PodRacer said:

3)miscellaneous

I was typing my case up against Norell when JJ posted, I knew such an accusation could be made, hence why I mentioned the timing in my post. I feel my vote on Norell was the better choice still. Again really hoping the cop Can give us some info to narrow the search. Cant rely on it happening, so I dont know, Im not keen on either JJs or toads votes so far.

What you was tipping when JJ posted came up 21' later. Let's say it is not weird for a medium-big post.

However your vote, with the case, came 8 hours later. That's is too much time to digest what JJ wrote.

On 26/9/2017 at 3:58 PM, TheToad said:

So my thoughts this far...

I don't like Cals blatant bread crumbing...

and ImpCap's shade throwing at JJ... as Ninja pointed out it should of been meant for him(Ninja)...

is it an honest mistake... or haphazard shade being thrown for shade's sake

On 26/9/2017 at 4:22 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:

My post to EbonHawk was definitely meta, but we'll see how much JJ presses it.

1. It'd be super dumb for a Goon to come at me so fast for such measly evidence.

2. I'm definitely town, and don't want to set up a town v town matchup right now.

On 26/9/2017 at 4:50 PM, Caldias said:

I don't think CNinja's post some sort of hide in plain sight thing for scum, personally.

On 27/9/2017 at 2:09 AM, EbonHawk said:

On @Caldias , he 'claims' vanilla and then claims to not be claiming

In a game with enough vanilla to open an ice cream store, seems logical to roll with it if you're town or not, yet he puts himself in the grey area of not claiming

To me this doesn't sound scummy it sounds cop or doc... which makes the most sense imo, but I'll be reading his posts with a fine toothcomb from now on

This draws me to a close until tomorrow during my lunch break, which means I decide on my vote now...

As some of the last interaction we had from him was jumping on a meta post and then complete silence after that my suspicions for the night fall on JJ

##vote @JJs Juggernaut

On 27/9/2017 at 2:13 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:

Well here's the thing. JJ is often away for long periods of time. It has earned him many a lynch.

I'll wait a little to see what he says before weighing in a vote.

I also am in agreement with Cal and Ebon that the ganging up on Cal for his vanilla statement is actually more interesting than the statement itself.

On 27/9/2017 at 3:32 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Just back now after a very busy day of exams and work.

I'm not sure how I feel about the whole Cal situation. I'm not convinced either way. Potentially some opportunistic scum jumping on him, or Cal was cleverly backpedaling.

As for Ebon's suspicion of me, well that just rather reinforces my suspicions. It's day one, and with an open setup there isn't much to go on. Ninja's move was the most potentially scummy thing I saw, so it's were my vote went. I actually am more convinced by Ninja's response that he is town and it was well intentioned, however your response to me is now what feels scummy.

##unvote

##vote EbonHawk

On 27/9/2017 at 6:07 AM, PodRacer said:

some interesting theories flying around now!

in regards to caldias my initial trail of thought seems a bit hollow, his defence seems genuine, but it was a breadcrumb no matter what he says! As such I'm more aligned with ebon that his play was actually designed as a plea, so hindsight finds me glad that I didn't vote for him before I put my head down.

which puts me in a bind with a lot of thinly spread votes as where best to place mine. I believe we are at cal3 mad2 and then a few odd single votes here and there. Hmmm.

Although I have no read on mad as usual for d1, I do like the way imp cap is operating and thinking so far in this one, but if I put a vote down there still a chance ovi moves to a new target and the train stops before it starts. Hmmm!

the pistols at dawn between ebon and jj is an interesting one, each convinced the other is acting suspiciously. I think the extra games under my belt gives me more insight into how bloody late in the gmt you have to stay up to hear from jj! So I'm not gonna follow ebon 100% and vote jj at this early stage, but I will be watching to see what develops.

after pondering for a while now I'm going to

##vote madaghmire

with cal on the radar I'm looking further afield, and of my options at this point mad is the guy I don't want pulling strings in the scumchat. Not perfect logic I'm aware, but if I sleep through deadline I want to have a vote out.

On 27/9/2017 at 6:39 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

To be honest, I don't see any really reason to vote for Mad other than him being a little quiet...The only reason I'm going to vote for him is to avoid a no vote.

##unvote

##vote Madaghmire

On 27/9/2017 at 7:35 AM, Visovics said:

So both Mad and Cal have 4 votes? I hope it doesn't end up like last game, so

##unvote

##vote Madaghmire

On 27/9/2017 at 8:33 AM, Norell said:

No lynch is bad for the town for sure. Mad is unlikrly to show up now. I hope we have time left so I'll drop the hammer. Sorry Mad, I have nothing particular against you...

##unvote

##vote Mad

The interesting posts I found during d1

Let's think about them.

So after seeing the info brought fourth by Imp, my theory is as follows:

Cal, Ninja, and Pod are our scum.

ive been weary of Cal since D1 because of his claim

im suspicious of Pod for his sudden jump on me

im suspicious of Ninja because of Ebony death D1... it put shade on JJ who is always an easy lynch and it gave Ninja a bit of cover because of his advice

so...##voteCaldias

On 9/26/2017 at 11:07 PM, PodRacer said:

some interesting theories flying around now!

in regards to caldias my initial trail of thought seems a bit hollow, his defence seems genuine, but it was a breadcrumb no matter what he says! As such I'm more aligned with ebon that his play was actually designed as a plea, so hindsight finds me glad that I didn't vote for him before I put my head down.

which puts me in a bind with a lot of thinly spread votes as where best to place mine. I believe we are at cal3 mad2 and then a few odd single votes here and there. Hmmm.

Although I have no read on mad as usual for d1, I do like the way imp cap is operating and thinking so far in this one, but if I put a vote down there still a chance ovi moves to a new target and the train stops before it starts. Hmmm!

the pistols at dawn between ebon and jj is an interesting one, each convinced the other is acting suspiciously. I think the extra games under my belt gives me more insight into how bloody late in the gmt you have to stay up to hear from jj! So I'm not gonna follow ebon 100% and vote jj at this early stage, but I will be watching to see what develops.

after pondering for a while now I'm going to

##vote madaghmire

with cal on the radar I'm looking further afield, and of my options at this point mad is the guy I don't want pulling strings in the scumchat. Not perfect logic I'm aware, but if I sleep through deadline I want to have a vote out.

If you look at this post Pod is stoking the Ebon JJ feud and defending Cal... he notes that Cal is at 3 votes and Mad is at 2... that Cal did in fact breadcrumb... but that's okay...and the puts his vote on Mad... tying the vote

And while I'm thinking about it... in an open set up Cals breadcrumming Vanilla is SUPER scummy. He's essentially told the scum team that using the night kill on him was a waste... a true Vanilla would want the scum to think he's the cop... we should of lynched him on those grounds alone

so yea Cals gotta go...

I DEMAND EVERY NON CLEANED PLAYER VOTING BEFORE THE THREE GOODIES!

6 hours ago, PodRacer said:

Cal and his big breadcrumb that's gone un investigated. Have at it. Why didn't you investigate cal? @ImperialCaptain2017

He was probably going to be my next investigation after N1, but then the whole Norell-Vis thing happened...

Meanwhile, the longer JJ stays out of the conversation, the more I suspect him. Pod's sudden vote is probably just Pod being Pod, CNinja doesn't seem suspicious (but then, he almost never seems suspicious), Cal I'm not sure about, and Toad is still high on my radar after the Novote call. Be back with a vote later...

Catching up

51 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

Be back with a vote later...

Please, wait until JJ, CNinja and Cal votes.

4 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

What you was tipping when JJ posted came up 21' later. Let's say it is not weird for a medium-big post.

However your vote, with the case, came 8 hours later. That's is too much time to digest what JJ wrote.

Correct, Of the options that had been touted to me Norell seemed most likely, and i was building reads early because D1 went right to the wire and forced other players into having bad choices later on, I got my case out against norell early so there was still be plenty of time to debunk my theory If untrue.

The Vote came later due to norells post inbetween accusing me of killing Ebon, Likely If he never types his sidethought I keep investigating, but at the time I really perceived it as scummy and so thought I had a lined up scum in Norell.

2 hours ago, TheToad said:

If you look at this post Pod is stoking the Ebon JJ feud and defending Cal... he notes that Cal is at 3 votes and Mad is at 2... that Cal did in fact breadcrumb... but that's okay...and the puts his vote on Mad... tying the vote

I never said Cals play was ok, but with no way of proving anything at that point, I had to accept it. Nobody else was asking any questions of Cal, apart from toad maybe. Cal was early candidate for town power role very cleverly. And I had to treat him as such till I saw otherwise.

The mad vote post ended up so long because I sat waiting for him to come back online to offer his defence for an absolute age, It may look like a big post, but its not when you consider the amount of time I was online waiting, possibly 80 mins or more... as things stand I could have waited all night as Mad never returned. But it seemed the safer bet as Ovi could remove his vote if he didnt agree on mad anymore. I should have voted Toad here instead,but notsure I can get anyone else to follow, so didnt.

I gotta re read this whole thread with eyes open....

3 hours ago, TheToad said:

I'm suspicious of Ninja because of Ebony death D1... it put shade on JJ who is always an easy lynch and it gave Ninja a bit of cover because of his advice

This is almost insulting I personally think Ebonhawk's death was either because of Pod, or the goons going for the easy non-doc kill.

Or so they can say " I'm suspicious of Ninja because of Ebony death D1... it put shade on JJ who is always an easy lynch and it gave Ninja a bit of cover because of his advice"

2 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I DEMAND EVERY NON CLEANED PLAYER VOTING BEFORE THE THREE GOODIES!

WHY ARE YOU YELLING!

If I had to vote right now (and I do agree that the DIRTY 5 should vote before the CLEAN 3) I'd vote either Pod or The Toad.

Pod: lots of extra effort going on, especially the sob story about vengeance for Ebonhawk

Toad: Has a list of three in his pocket? Strikes me as super convenient.

I will say this about myself. You know why I'm not a scum goon?

Because if I was I would have immediately claimed cop after ImpCap if I was. Sew division and confusion.

6 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I will say this about myself. You know why I'm not a scum goon?

Because if I was I would have immediately claimed cop after ImpCap if I was. Sew division and confusion.

Any of the other four said that and we know three of you are. But I thank you let this at 3/5 instead of 1/2. However I had Imp as a "clean" one so if you would have counterclaimed I would hang you at any cost

So on page 7 I asked toad quite firmly why we should vote for his current top suspect cal, to which he replies 'dunno lets look at these 3 town instead'

Im thinking Toad and Cal in cahoots definately, each of their interactions dont sit comfortably with me. And under pressure suddenly Toad decides not to Bus his scum mate for now, switching to a new plan instead (maybe always the plan)

16 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Pod: lots of extra effort going on, especially the sob story about vengeance for Ebonhawk

Thought that someone would bring this up again....

Like I say you're my 'other' town in all this, dont fuel my paranoia...

@CaribbeanNinja

Scum Pod definately wouldn't leave you alive to make those kind of statements.... Think about it.

Agreed that we definitely need to vote before Ovi, Norell, and Imp Cap.

Toad and Pod seem to be in super try hard mode, but Pod, as usual, is hard to read.

Agree that Toad having 3 for sure scum is a bit suspect.

My top two are Pod and Toad. Both have cast votes without much discussion, which is extremely dangerous. And this is interesting:

On 9/25/2017 at 0:16 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:

So @EbonHawk welcome! Who do you think are the Goons?

Bonus tips:

NEVER advocate for a "no-lynch". (Trust me)

Thank Caldias for nobody taking an "I'm just a noob" excuse seriously.

On 9/25/2017 at 0:31 PM, TheToad said:

As a game1 day1 lynch victim I second Ninja's advice

14 hours ago, TheToad said:

So I'm thinking we either need to no vote or the cop needs to help us out.

@ovinomanc3r I like your thought process but you're completely wrong about me... I stand by my votes and didn't let the opinions of others sway me

now that hat I think about it I believe a no vote is best in this situation... we need to give the cop another night and then we jump on the scum

##novote

So he earlier says no votes are something to be avoided (albeit in a jokey manner in response to his fast lynching in the first game he played), and then agrees with Ovi's idea with a no vote, or for the cop to claim. That alone is not a huge deal, but super interesting that he immediately votes for it without hearing from anyone else, deeming it the best solution. Not sure if anything is there, but I've learned to be wary of hasty votes. He also conveniently ignores the fact that calling for a no vote would give scum a chance to silence the cop before he reports anything. Unlikely, but possible.

Pod to me reeks because of being the first to vote today in a very delicate situation. I could be convinced to vote for either. Would also welcome other thoughts.

I "conveniently" have a list of 3 suspects because of the information provided by Imp. I know I'm not scum and I got a good feeling JJ is clean too... so logically that leaves Cal Pod and Ninja... as I read the recent posts just now the posts from you three remind me of roaches scattering after the lights come on.

Guys... just do the math...

Cal, Pod, Ninja, JJ, Toad

^ ^ ^ ? ^ X

i could be wrong about Ninja... maybe he is town and JJ is scum but I will put my bottom dollar on Cal and Pod being scum

and remember town... as you read posts from the 5 of us... 3 are scum... isn't it interesting that I've got 3 of the 5 shoveling the shade my way?

10 minutes ago, TheToad said:

and remember town... as you read posts from the 5 of us... 3 are scum... isn't it interesting that I've got 3 of the 5 shoveling the shade my way?

I throw shade at all four of you. All y'all are scum as far as I'm concerned.

2 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

WHY ARE YOU YELLING!

If I had to vote right now (and I do agree that the DIRTY 5 should vote before the CLEAN 3) I'd vote either Pod or The Toad.

Pod: lots of extra effort going on, especially the sob story about vengeance for Ebonhawk

Toad: Has a list of three in his pocket? Strikes me as super convenient.

I will say this about myself. You know why I'm not a scum goon?

Because if I was I would have immediately claimed cop after ImpCap if I was. Sew division and confusion.

58 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Agreed that we definitely need to vote before Ovi, Norell, and Imp Cap.

Toad and Pod seem to be in super try hard mode, but Pod, as usual, is hard to read.

Agree that Toad having 3 for sure scum is a bit suspect.

My top two are Pod and Toad. Both have cast votes without much discussion, which is extremely dangerous. And this is interesting:

So he earlier says no votes are something to be avoided (albeit in a jokey manner in response to his fast lynching in the first game he played), and then agrees with Ovi's idea with a no vote, or for the cop to claim. That alone is not a huge deal, but super interesting that he immediately votes for it without hearing from anyone else, deeming it the best solution. Not sure if anything is there, but I've learned to be wary of hasty votes. He also conveniently ignores the fact that calling for a no vote would give scum a chance to silence the cop before he reports anything. Unlikely, but possible.

Pod to me reeks because of being the first to vote today in a very delicate situation. I could be convinced to vote for either. Would also welcome other thoughts.

Right here... Cal and Ninja are both saying me or Pod... either I get lynched and scum win... or they lynch one of their own and come out clean

and then...

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

So on page 7 I asked toad quite firmly why we should vote for his current top suspect cal, to which he replies 'dunno lets look at these 3 town instead'

Im thinking Toad and Cal in cahoots definately, each of their interactions dont sit comfortably with me. And under pressure suddenly Toad decides not to Bus his scum mate for now, switching to a new plan instead (maybe always the plan)

Pod says Cal and I are in Cahoots?.... I called him out for his claim D1.... and Pod defended him! But I'm the one in cahoots

14 minutes ago, TheToad said:

I "conveniently" have a list of 3 suspects because of the information provided by Imp. I know I'm not scum and I got a good feeling JJ is clean too... so logically that leaves Cal Pod and Ninja... as I read the recent posts just now the posts from you three remind me of roaches scattering after the lights come on.

Guys... just do the math...

Cal, Pod, Ninja, JJ, Toad

^ ^ ^ ? ^ X

i could be wrong about Ninja... maybe he is town and JJ is scum but I will put my bottom dollar on Cal and Pod being scum

and remember town... as you read posts from the 5 of us... 3 are scum... isn't it interesting that I've got 3 of the 5 shoveling the shade my way?

No one is above suspicion, but we have to figure out who our top choices for scum are somehow, and my reasons are clear.

Can you give me a town reason for your hasty voting? I'm not voting on you, yet. I want to hear a defense for what I think are weird actions, and I think voting without lengthy discussion is absolutely a scum move, do you disagree? That's why you and Pod pinged scummy to me. We still have time to determine a best course of action, though, and if you have a good defense, I'll hear it.

I also would like to hear from JJ, he is more seeming like a scummarine now. I get the busy IRL thing, but also could be a convenient way for a scum player to hide.

6 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I throw shade at all four of you. All y'all are scum as far as I'm concerned.

Stop pandering... you only threw shade at me and a little at your scumate scapegoat.... and then Cal followed suit with a nearly identical argument

3 minutes ago, TheToad said:

Stop pandering... you only threw shade at me and a little at your scumate scapegoat.... and then Cal followed suit with a nearly identical argument

So you are 100% sure I'm scum?