Well then...won't this be a fun day cycle.

So here's where we stand- out of the 8 of us that are left, we have 3 goons and 1 cop. The other 4 are vanilla town. LYLO it is, then.

I have no read on Pod (as usual), and no clear scumminess from Norell other than the mess during the Mads lynch. CNinja confuses me, but doesn't ring scum. JJ and Toad have been kinda quiet, but the last time we lynched someone for being quiet was Mads, so I'm holding off there. Ovi took a while to act like his normal self, but now seems ok. RL distractions maybe? Cal was accused earlier and seemed clean then, but now I need to look back at everything.

Gah...so hard to decide.

@TheToad , @JJs Juggernaut , haven't heard from you in a while. We need your input...

We also gotta be real careful with votes, cause only two are needed for the three scum to bus and win.

Well this sucks... the only reads I have are Cal and Norell and that goes back to the D1 claimgate and Norell's jumping on the first vote...

@ovinomanc3r

your thoughts?

2 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

@ovinomanc3r

your thoughts?

RL

I will be back later.

4 hours ago, Norell said:

I did not disappear. I said everything I wanted and I didn't want to vote on Vis because in a 1v1 situation we obviously would vote at each other. It's better to take out those obvious votes and let the others vote because that means more information you can work with in the future.

Sidenote: If the goal of the exam is to play undercover agents, then how can townies fail their exams if they don't have to play roles because they have no covert identity?

So did you observe anything in yesterday's vote? Part of me thinks that all the scum somehow managed to get on the vis train. ( or not depending on your alignment)

im down to my last 2 full town reads in imp and ovi. Scum is three of the last 5 for me

my best guess so far is that Jj and norell are aligned, as are toad and ninja.

Had hoped to hear something about cals alignment by now, but appreciate the cops need to remain anonymous in this situation.

I didn't anticipate this being lylo already.

5 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@ovinomanc3r

your thoughts?

Let's go.

1. We are not at LyLo. We can no vote. But I agree. We have a hard day.

2. I wouldn't lynch Norell. Even not being LyLo I think a dead cop worth lynching a scum. And the cop didn't talk yet. I let the choice to him but if we are goings to lynch an innocent and the cop knows he must talk cause otherwise we lose. Whatever, I won't vote Norell without a direct order.

3. Suspects and other thoughts:

After seeing the three non-Mad's-votes on Vis I am quite sure I was right about one scum being there. And I again blame all you for following scum's agenda. I said they were playing with us with the NorellvsVis thing and it seems I was right. But at least we have vote patterns. As I have said, CNinja, Toad and Cal, one of you is scum.

Another interesting thing is that JJ was on both wagons (with me) what should become him, and me, the scummiest player.

But what I find more interesting is the order of the votes.

Pod and JJ were the first, one per side. Onidsen (innocent) voted Visovics after. Imp, curiously, tied the thing voting Norell. If as it seems both were town, scum have no preference so they could play this kind of game. However as long as there is no difference, it would be better to avoid appear like defending a no-lynch. So better following the mainstream (Vis had two voted and CNinja already said he was going to vote him) so Imp's vote looks clean to me (not completely but more than any other but mine). Vis'vote is irrelevant now and the left fell on Vis with Norell not voting.

In a situation where scum were playing with to choices pushing wherever they needed (and it seems irrelevant where they did) the break vote (4th) was a bad place to hide themselves. That's vote was Cal (congratulations, you looks less scummy today). That let the other five positions (1,2,3, 5 and hammer).

Hammer is not a good place either but also has a good excuse but it doesn't matter here cause it was me.

Position 5. CNinja. That's is similar to hammer. The logic is just the opposite. It seems clean cause doesn't hammer but it is also a way to evade responsabilities.

Both positions are not awesome cause the thing could go 50-50 depending on the guts of the voters.

Position 2. Oni was innocent and I already talked about Imp.

Position 3. Hi Toad! Did you felt comfortable there? Vis was innocent and cannot vote someone else.

NOTE: I need to check which vote fell before.

Position 1. Here is the most interesting to me cause is a dammed good place. My theory says that scum planed to build a debate between Norell and Vis. And they would push wherever they needed. So, why not place the first votes and let the town choose. That's even more logic if both choices are town. The third scum could actually put his mouth wherever in a non-responsible position cause it doesn't matter at the end.

JJ and Pod as scum have quite sense to me. I could be undoubtedly wrong but that's what I look. As the third scum I woild say Toad.

JJ and Pod was on Mad. Toad was one who didn't.

I would need to check the thread again and look carefully the relations and interactions but from the votes that's what I read.

Road voted before Vis. Scummier.

So I'm thinking we either need to no vote or the cop needs to help us out.

@ovinomanc3r I like your thought process but you're completely wrong about me... I stand by my votes and didn't let the opinions of others sway me

now that hat I think about it I believe a no vote is best in this situation... we need to give the cop another night and then we jump on the scum

##novote

Thats quite a bit to take in Ovi!

1) no vote, not sure what to think about that?

2)I too am desperate to know what the cop knows right now, he should have info on Cal and Norell that is vital, and likely the key too Our chances here. Being that im unsure of the best path of action im gonna reserve the right to not push a reveal from them. But **** I would have played the role differently!! nuff said.

3)miscellaneous

I was typing my case up against Norell when JJ posted, I knew such an accusation could be made, hence why I mentioned the timing in my post. I feel my vote on Norell was the better choice still. Again really hoping the cop Can give us some info to narrow the search. Cant rely on it happening, so I dont know, Im not keen on either JJs or toads votes so far.

20 minutes ago, TheToad said:

##novote

do my eyes decieve me?? =)

6 hours ago, PodRacer said:

my best guess so far is that Jj and norell are aligned, as are toad and ninja.

What does this mean?

That implies JJ voted vis to protect Norell,

And IIRC you and Toad have been aligned in the vote thus far.

25 minutes ago, TheToad said:

novote

So I guess I'd be kind of okay with this.

However, in this open setup, the cop has had two results. Let's say he just got two vanilla results. That means he'd know three sure town out of the eight remaining.

So we'd have a 3/5 chance of hammering a scum goon. I'll take those odds, informed by the vote patterns.

And yes, I just told you the odds.

@CaribbeanNinja

how dangerous is Ovis post if its scum aligned? Is he pushing the no lynch? Is he figuring out the cop?

otherwise he want muddier waters maybe? Hows the scumdar looking?

Well I always am dubious about the lengthy posts.

I'd put him on my suspects (as he has been) bit nothing other than the length of the post rings scum.

I can see both strategies as viable. Personally I'd rather get it over with, but waiting does (hopefully) get us to where our Cop has three results on 7 left.

But there are also problems with that route.

40 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

So I guess I'd be kind of okay with this.

However, in this open setup, the cop has had two results. Let's say he just got two vanilla results. That means he'd know three sure town out of the eight remaining.

So we'd have a 3/5 chance of hammering a scum goon. I'll take those odds, informed by the vote patterns.

And yes, I just told you the odds.

But what if the cop has investigated someone who has been killed?

im leaving this up to the cop... if you have some info that can turn this game around and you think sharing it is the right move then do it...

otherwise im going to give it another night

9 minutes ago, TheToad said:

But what if the cop has investigated someone who has been killed?

im leaving this up to the cop... if you have some info that can turn this game around and you think sharing it is the right move then do it...

otherwise im going to give it another night

Yeah very good point.

I can see the merit of the no vote in this one instance, but if the cop gets scumkilled we just gave away a free kill. However, if he doesn't, we're still at lylo. Doc is dead so no chance at protection. Scum has a 1/5 chance of killing the cop, but 3/5 potential nabbing a scum would be really good.

My read on cop:

1) He investigated Norell and Norell came up town, so nothing helpful to add unless the group tried to lynch Norell, not worth exposure to scum.

2) He investigated Norell and Norell came up scum. He is holding that to his chest in case the group tries to lynch Norell anyway, buying him another day of investigation before outing himself.

3) He is Norell and cannot investigate himself.

I am leaning toward option 1 personally, as at this point exposure may be worth buying town another day, but developments may prove me wrong.

2 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

So I guess I'd be kind of okay with this.

However, in this open setup, the cop has had two results. Let's say he just got two vanilla results. That means he'd know three sure town out of the eight remaining.

So we'd have a 3/5 chance of hammering a scum goon. I'll take those odds, informed by the vote patterns.

And yes, I just told you the odds.

Well...I guess a 3/5 chance is the best we're going to get, and I'm tired of hiding and shooting in the dark. May as well be helpful.

I'm the cop. Surprise!

I investigated Ovi and Norell, and they are both (vanilla) town. That means that our goons are somewhere in this group: CNinja, Cal, Pod, JJ, Toad.

Ideas? I tend to suspect Toad because of the novote call, but I'm open to other suggestions...

(BTW, I know that I have just signed my own death warrant, but I've been killed in every Mafia game I've ever played, so it's nothing new to me )

Well that is actually good then. (And I can narrow it down to 4 but I know y'all won't take my word for it. )

Which of the gang of five is the most town to you?

Yeah, I don't have to ask much, I called that someone was trying it on when ebon died, I got told point blank that the scum had to be one of norell/oni/vis and I can see in hindsight what a fool I have been.

Apologies to Norell, still feels like you pushed on vis, I probably would have too in your situation.

##vote Toad

As for his lackeys.... I'm alive still, so perhaps ninja? cerebral maybe, lackey not so much. Hard to tell but town lean. I think maybe toad has been trying his art of war tricks on ninja.

Cal and his big breadcrumb that's gone un investigated. Have at it. Why didn't you investigate cal? @ImperialCaptain2017

JJ has been absent a lot, came up with the vis train when I couldn't see a reason for it. Quieter is usually scummier I'm told, fits the ebon kill too.

And stoopid gullible me. =( I knew something like this was coming off the back of ebon getting killed.

Nice work anyway impcap, if I can get one of ebon killers il be happy.

@PodRacer you should be very careful with voting right now, if you are town.

Wow, so we have a decent chance then, provided Norell, Impcap and Ovi aren't the best scum ever. No counter claim so I'm inclined to believe him.

For CNinja I am leaning town. He backed his votes with solid logic, even if he was on some bad votes (I was on one as well). Ovi, now that you are more or less confirmed town, do you have any thoughts on this new info? Ninja is also a master scum player, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he flipped scum.

JJ's been quiet, would like to hear from him soon. I know he's busy, but scummarining is a possibility.

For Pod this sudden vote gives me some pause. (CNinja just posted basically the same thing as I'm writing this).

Toad's call for a no vote felt a bit off. I do understand why, in that instance, it could be a good move since before we had the cop's knowledge it was lylo, and we could delay it, but it could also have been a scum hail mary to nab the cop before he could report.

2 hours ago, Caldias said:

Ovi, now that you are more or less confirmed town, do you have any thoughts on this new info?

Just that my logic is still sound.

Before the claim I would have thought the no lynch option. But now all we get is the dead of an already cleaned town. So we would be with nothing new.