11 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Who's pushing this Ovi? Me? Toad? I'm not sure about TheToad at all, your logic it really backwards here.

Are Norell and Vis clean? Ovi answers no.

People start saying "Hmm...Vis and Norell are looking suspicious." Ovi says "Thats the scum agenda.

How are you so certain now, after being so quiet Day 1?

I didn't point to you about that. All I said is that it is for sure the scum play for today. It is obvious to me that they talked during the night about what was goings to come with the day and how to deal with that.

10 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

None of us off the vote (Cal, The Toad, Me) are clear either (Although I know I am town), but it seems like a stretch to say that the scum were totally absent from Mads' lynching.

Not all of them. Just 1 (I hope 2), what makes a 1/3 (hopefully 2/3).

On Mad I don't feel so sure to reduce it to just two names, nor even three. I am scared about all of you being so.

That's all.

And it doesn't seem enough.

24 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

And I'm certainly super suspicious Of Ovinomanc3r.

Then vote me or I am not on your agenda?

24 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Then vote me or I am not on your agenda?

Oh don't you worry

But seriously, I think you're discounting the obvious in the vote. I think the Oni/Norell/Vis switch from Cal to Mads in the last few hours is the best lead we have right now.

Just a strategy thought - if we're split between Norell and Visovics (as it seems from the thread), we can lynch one of them today and have our Cop scan the other. If they're evil, the Cop can reveal it in thread. If not, the Cop will remain silent. If the Cop reveals, we do have a hidden Doc to protect them for a cycle or two. Unfortunately, we can't control what the Cop does, but...

Of the two, I'm more suspicious about Vis than Norell, but not by much, and I could be persuaded to vote either way. Both of their defenses have been...shady. Not ping-my-radar suspicious, but neither of them are wholly satisfactory to me. We've got something like 12 hours left - still time for discussion, but we need to be forming up around a lynch candidate soon or else we'll end up in a similar situation as last cycle.

To put my money where my mouth is:

##vote Visovics

11 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Just a strategy thought - if we're split between Norell and Visovics (as it seems from the thread), we can lynch one of them today and have our Cop scan the other. If they're evil, the Cop can reveal it in thread. If not, the Cop will remain silent. If the Cop reveals, we do have a hidden Doc to protect them for a cycle or two.

Unless we lynch the doc

But the idea is not bad at all.

37 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Just a strategy thought - if we're split between Norell and Visovics (as it seems from the thread), we can lynch one of them today and have our Cop scan the other. If they're evil, the Cop can reveal it in thread. If not, the Cop will remain silent. If the Cop reveals, we do have a hidden Doc to protect them for a cycle or two. Unfortunately, we can't control what the Cop does, but...

Of the two, I'm more suspicious about Vis than Norell, but not by much, and I could be persuaded to vote either way. Both of their defenses have been...shady. Not ping-my-radar suspicious, but neither of them are wholly satisfactory to me. We've got something like 12 hours left - still time for discussion, but we need to be forming up around a lynch candidate soon or else we'll end up in a similar situation as last cycle.

To put my money where my mouth is:

##vote Visovics

strategy can work, but relies on:

1-The lynch target not being the cop/doctor

2-The cop not dying at night

3-The cop target not being targeted at night if he is town, because would mean a wasted strategy and cop night

Sorry, got busy mowing the lawn and wrapping up work. I have a few minutes now.

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

And yes, Oni needs to be in that discussion as well.

However, right now nobody in my mind is perfectly clean (excepting my @$$) . I can see Pod pushing for the Mads lynch as scum. I can see the faux pas of ImpCaptain being tells of scum. And I'm certainly super suspicious Of Ovinomanc3r.

None of us off the vote (Cal, The Toad, Me) are clear either (Although I know I am town), but it seems like a stretch to say that the scum were totally absent from Mads' lynching.

I also agree that no one is clean (except myself, of course, as Ninja claims he himself is clean). But in all actuality no one, including myself, can "prove" they are clean.

A couple thoughts:

- I don't think the cop came up with anything fruitful, as there is no hard push toward someone or hard defense to any of the accused. Although, it is possible the cop DID come up with something, but is laying low and gambling that he or she will survive to expose more scum. However, I'm leaning more to that the cop didn't find a scum, and that the main suspects weren't one of the ones investigated, as no one is stepping forward to exonerate or condemn anyone. DISCLAIMER I am neither claiming to be or not to be a cop, just making logical conclusions based on what I'm seeing.

- Vis' "mistake" is why I was leaning more to him, but honestly I've made plenty of mistakes as well, so he could be completely innocent. My "leaning toward Vis" needle is really only at like 60%, but more certain than I am about other platers

- Norell certainly isn't clean, either.

- My guess is, should we decide to lynch either Norell or Vis, that the other gets investigated by the cop

- Ovino IS looking odd. Not sure where that leaves us. Doing weird things and then drawing attention to it.

- Pod seems to be playing a similar way that he was last game, and he was town most of that. However, Norell's suggestion that Pod might have killed his IRL buddy as scum would be pretty hilarious if it was true. And Ninja's point that Pod started the Mad train is a very interesting one.

I will probably wait to vote until this evening, in case anything more concrete is exposed.

And wow, I posted that and missed a whole page of people already saying much of what I did. Sorry about the repeat logic.

I think someone need to elaborate all that about me being odd. I still don't get it.

3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I think someone need to elaborate all that about me being odd. I still don't get it.

a. No memes (I expected a training day, young jedi one at least.)

b. Very quiet D1. You have come out of your shell, but when the day was closing you were nowhere.

c. Seems to be worried about your own standing that finding the scum.

(I am especially jaded of course because you've been pushing on me, but trust me, D1 you were odd. I still have you on my list, and will vote the **** out of you after today if I think it is still right. Now however I still think we should keep on the Mads vote.)

Ninja just ninjaed my post, but yeah, the now tongue-in-cheek jokes and very quiet. The scum agenda accusations being tossed around were also interesting imo, and how you want to distance yourself from it, which smells a bit of protesting too much.

That said, I'm not that suspicious of you right now, but you're not exactly screaming town, either.

now = no in the above post

18 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

a. No memes (I expected a training day, young jedi one at least.) lol those were just two games but I got it, you want memes I will try my best

b. Very quiet D1. You have come out of your shell, but when the day was closing you were nowhere. I connected in time but the hammer had fallen. I was about to answer Pod but that was against the rules. I though to hacerme el loco (no idea how to express that in English but is quit precise in my own language) taking advantage from the fact that Ghost didn't post the night yet but I am a good guy. Of course no way to proof that.

c. Seems to be worried about your own standing that finding the scum. I voted and said why. I cannot find any argument that put Vis or Norell behind the other. On the other side there si too many willing votes but not too many real ones. That reinforce my idea about scum lurking around those wagons. Onid broke the wall. I am wondering why any of those commited votes fall already.

(I am especially jaded of course because you've been pushing on me, but trust me, D1 you were odd. I still have you on my list, and will vote the **** out of you after today if I think it is still right. Now however I still think we should keep on the Mads vote.)

But I thank you anyway.

48 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I thought to hacerme el loco

"play dumb"

Better this way?

Here are our suspects jumping on Mad's wagon:

Hi all,

So...as for Ovi, I see what he's doing as just out of character, not scum. I like Onidsen's idea to lynch one of Norell or Vis and have the cop investigate the other. However, it is possible that one of them could be hiding a power role, in which case we would be thoroughly screwed. We'll have to take the risk, though, so I'll put my vote where my suspicion is:

##vote Norell

This is an open setup. there are no scum power roles.

12 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

This is an open setup. there are no scum power roles.

I should have clarified-I meant a town power role, i.e. Doc or Cop.

So it's looks like we sorta have a plan then?

##vote Visovics

9 minutes ago, TheToad said:

So it's looks like we sorta have a plan then?

##vote Visovics

There just seems to be an indecision on who to vote by the rest.

##vote Norell

obviously I won't vote for myself, not allowed and I know I'm town, so...

Can we have a vote count?

Unfortunately I don't see any other good leads, so I will stick with my suspicions.

##vote Visovics

I'll be on kinda late just in case.

No one seems to be active so I'll take initiative as you've asked for it.

Vis on L-2 (two votes left L-2 is the thing you guys use)

10 Players, 6 to hammer:

1. @JJs Juggernaut
2. @CaribbeanNinja (1) ovinomanc3r
3. @Visovics - (4) JJ, Onidsen, Toad, Cal
4. @Norell - (3) Pod, ImpCap, Vis
5. @ImperialCaptain2017
6. @Onidsen
7. @TheToad
8. @ovinomanc3r
9. @PodRacer
10. @Caldias

Well, I'm vanilla, not much to add other than you will be lynching a town

Just got in, not many new developments. 7.5 hrs till deadline.

Whos still active?

16 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Just got in, not many new developments. 7.5 hrs till deadline.

Whos still active?

I'm still here. I'll be checking in for the next few hours as well. That'll be it though. Day ends at 3:40 AM over here.

I'll be on and up for almost the rest of the day.