21 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Trajectory Simulator is nice, I really like it. I don't think it particularly buffs any existing bomber builds, but it does help make other Bombers more viable. I look forward to loading it onto TIE Punishers, for sure.

I know it's kind of a stupid idea, but I'm definitely trying it on a B-wing with Sabine crew
It's really a shame Y-wings and TIE/b can't use it, since it would really have brought some of the old bombers back (at least at casual nights).

9 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

..you mean like at the end of Braveheart? (best part of the film, from an English perspective!)

There's no good part in that movie.

23 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Yeah, I was actually going for number 3 on that list. Though this discussion really highlights just how overused that theme is...

Yea, they all have the formula of: White Guys try to wipe out/exploit an indigenous culture (be it N'avi, Tree-Fairies, Bug-Alien Refugees, Samurai, etc.) and one of the White Guys ends up a part of that culture (usually initially against their will), falls in love with it, and ends up being the person who plays Savior and single-handily leads the Indigenous people to salvation against the White Guys. In Film Theory it combines elements of the "White Savior" trope with other aspects.

To a lesser extent, it also characterizes films like the comedy Shanghai Noon (Owen Wilson's Roy character, who teams up with Jackie Chan and a Native American Woman to defeat his previous band of outlaws) and possibly even many films in the Gladiator genre (Roman General conquering people ends up in slavery alongside other conquered folks, leads them to victory against the Empire he previously served), such as Robin Hood (noble-born guy leads peasants against the noble-class) and Lawrence of Arabia, just to name a handful of many possible other examples.

Avatar was the same story that's been told in film dozens of times, just with spiffy three-dimensional jungles, crazy battle-robots, and digital cat-people.

17 hours ago, Giledhil said:

There's no good part in that movie.

3 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yea, they all have the formula of: White Guys try to wipe out/exploit an indigenous culture (be it N'avi, Tree-Fairies, Bug-Alien Refugees, Samurai, etc.) and one of the White Guys ends up a part of that culture (usually initially against their will), falls in love with it, and ends up being the person who plays Savior and single-handily leads the Indigenous people to salvation against the White Guys. In Film Theory it combines elements of the "White Savior" trope with other aspects.

What those stories are actually about is a person learning the values of other cultures and learning to identify more with those than the values they were raised with. While this is definitely a common (some would say overused based on their preference) trope, it actually has a good message, IMO.

But considering the main character is a white guy, it's a vilified arc. The message is simultaneously "white people are culturally ignorant" and "who does this white guy think he is, saving other cultures?"

There's little film makers can do other than simply stop casting white people in these roles--which in some cases they definitely should (The Great Wall starring Matt Damon????). But in the case of, say, district 9. Would the message be more wholesome if the lead was black instead of white? I don't think so.

It's often a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The "ignorant white guy" is an accepted villain because he's prejudiced. The "culturally evolving white guy" has become a villain because white people are supposed to be ignorant and aren't being portrayed that way uniformly in the story.

5 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Definitely, no good part.

2 hours ago, Giledhil said:

Definitely, no good part.

So the actor was Australian playing a Scotsman. Big deal.

and he is an anti-Semite. Yeah that’s hard to overlook.

and he’s batshit crazy.

Still, that’s no reason to hate on this movie! It’s manly and awesome and GOT before ASOIAF was even a thing!

and you gots to agree, this part was awesome.

Nope. The film was awful, Grimmy. And The Patriot was just as bad.

Guys, back to topic: How the Gunboat may (or may not) bring glory to the Empire.

Gunboat dial: Am I the only one who is thinking it will have a TIE aggressor dial, but with no 3-turns and no k-turn.

2 hours ago, Sciencius said:

Guys, back to topic: How the Gunboat may (or may not) bring glory to the Empire.

Gunboat dial: Am I the only one who is thinking it will have a TIE aggressor dial, but with no 3-turns and no k-turn.

I was thinking X-wing dial with a 5k instead of 4k so you can't SLAM into it. Maybe it has no K-turn, but I don't really know why it wouldn't. Certainly it's not an unbalancing ability on an arc-locked ship.

2 hours ago, Sciencius said:

Guys, back to topic: How the Gunboat may (or may not) bring glory to the Empire.

Gunboat dial: Am I the only one who is thinking it will have a TIE aggressor dial, but with no 3-turns and no k-turn.

Must have K turn!

or sloop or something.

1 turns would be nice. GUNBOAT wasn’t a chump when it came to maneuvering, just a bit slower than an X-wing.

And if GUNBOAT is doing double duty as the missile boat as well then it’s gotta have a fairly decent dial, but with SLAM, who knows. FFG is unpredictable at times.

7 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Must have K turn!

or sloop or something.

1 turns would be nice. GUNBOAT wasn’t a chump when it came to maneuvering, just a bit slower than an X-wing.

And if GUNBOAT is doing double duty as the missile boat as well then it’s gotta have a fairly decent dial, but with SLAM, who knows. FFG is unpredictable at times.

I really hope the SLAM and ordnance configurations don't preclude FFG from actually making a real Missile Boat someday. The models are simply too different to treat them as the same craft. You may as well treat the YT-1300 and the YT-2400 as simply two titles of the same model! (Though honestly, even those are probably more similar to each other than the Gunboat and Missile Boat.)

2 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

The models are simply too different to treat them as the same craft.

See Kyraxz and Voksai

(spelling may vary)

On 9/23/2017 at 3:33 AM, Giledhil said:

I know it's kind of a stupid idea, but I'm definitely trying it on a B-wing with Sabine crew
It's really a shame Y-wings and TIE/b can't use it, since it would really have brought some of the old bombers back (at least at casual nights).

if it's stupid and it works... could definitely interesting, pulling off bomb shenanigans with the b-wing.

On 2017. 09. 22. at 10:44 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

No, I think he's talking about FernGully: The Last Rainforest. Wait, I mean BorGullet: The Last Brain-Proctologist.




See also:

Dances With Wolves
Fern Gully
The Last Samurai
District 9
Avatar

All basically the exact same story.

Pocahontas?

3 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

See Kyraxz and Voksai

(spelling may vary)

I'm not actually familiar with these craft, but from what I could look up, the Vaksai is supposed to actually be a modified version of the other, rather than a descendant design.

(And they still look far more similar than even the YTs.)

I’m good with never getting the missile boat. A solid Gunboat is pretty awesome

On 9/23/2017 at 4:31 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yea, they all have the formula of: White Guys try to wipe out/exploit an indigenous culture (be it N'avi, Tree-Fairies, Bug-Alien Refugees, Samurai, etc.) and one of the White Guys ends up a part of that culture (usually initially against their will), falls in love with it, and ends up being the person who plays Savior and single-handily leads the Indigenous people to salvation against the White Guys. In Film Theory it combines elements of the "White Savior" trope with other aspects.

To a lesser extent, it also characterizes films like the comedy Shanghai Noon (Owen Wilson's Roy character, who teams up with Jackie Chan and a Native American Woman to defeat his previous band of outlaws) and possibly even many films in the Gladiator genre (Roman General conquering people ends up in slavery alongside other conquered folks, leads them to victory against the Empire he previously served), such as Robin Hood (noble-born guy leads peasants against the noble-class) and Lawrence of Arabia, just to name a handful of many possible other examples.

Avatar was the same story that's been told in film dozens of times, just with spiffy three-dimensional jungles, crazy battle-robots, and digital cat-people.

I think you left out Fern Gully... which is just Avatar as a cartoon starring Robin Williams as a bat...

Knowing how much we want the Gunboat, I think FFG made sure it will be an essential buy, a powerhouse of a ship, so versatile with many different successful combos.

1 minute ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Knowing how much we want the Gunboat, I think FFG made sure it will be an essential buy, a powerhouse of a ship, so versatile with many different successful combos.

Oh you sweet summer child.

I believe that was the logic driving how powerful they made the Jumpmaster 5000. So many people were clamoring for the ship that FFG knew they had to work hard to make everyone happy.

#goodguyffg

1 hour ago, Jetfire said:

I think you left out Fern Gully... which is just Avatar as a cartoon starring Robin Williams as a bat...

You mean Avatar is just Fern Gully, but boring and lacking Robin Williams as a bat.

1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Knowing how much we want the Gunboat, I think FFG made sure it will be an essential buy, a powerhouse of a ship, so versatile with many different successful combos.

...ah, the joy of dreaming.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Oh you sweet summer child.

...and a calm pull back into reality.

35 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I believe that was the logic driving how powerful they made the Jumpmaster 5000. So many people were clamoring for the ship that FFG knew they had to work hard to make everyone happy.

#goodguyffg

I don't recall the clamor for Dengar's freighter filled with Charmin; I must have happily slept through that one.

On 9/24/2017 at 5:14 AM, FTS Gecko said:

Nope. The film Braveheart was awful, Grimmy. And The Patriot was just as bad.

I realize film critics are everywhere and none agree, but we here are lovers of Star Wars...so, really? Talk about glass houses my friends, we the true lovers of our fantasy world can happily worry not about having our movie reviews posted in the Daily Mail anytime soon.

Just now, HolySorcerer said:

You mean Avatar is just Fern Gully, but boring and lacking Robin Williams as a bat.

If you thought Avatar was boring, you clearly weren't ignoring the plot to just ooh and ah over the visuals enough!

(Seriously, is no one else concerned that they had to rally the entire planet, LITERALLY, just to take on a couple hundred company-owned, private-army goons; suffering incredibly heavy losses in the process? What's going to happen when Earth's government decides to send in the real military to take control of things?)

7 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

What's going to happen when Earth's government decides to send in the real military to take control of things?

The sequels.