DialVision by Melissa Ludowise
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dialvision/id1277244707?mt=8
A new app is out that uses iOS 11's new AR tools for the best purpose: to help us visualize maneuvers.
Obviously this should never be used in a tourney, but as a training tool in casual games? This is awesome.
Kinda neat. Not... Sure... No, I don't think I'd use it ever except as an observer.
X-wing's been AR! for a while now
That's really impressive, honestly. Definitely a no-no for tournaments, but it's cool.
Edited by PolaritieI think what would be sweet, and what this could lead to is an A.I. system that you can play against. Show it the board state and it calculates its maneuvers.
"Hey man... Can I take a photo of the table to show my friends?"
Very cool idea but I couldn't get it to work - when it would draw the grid, it drew it on a vertical plane perpendicular to the board. I tried it on an iPad and it looks like an iPhone app so maybe theres a bug in the compatibility layer.
2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:X-wing's been AR! for a while now
How.. No.. Boooooooo..!
1 hour ago, Jehan Menasis said:"Hey man... Can I take a photo of the table to show my friends?"
This is absolutely fantastic! I'd love to see this come to Android's ARCore!
There's more then one I see.
I posted another a month ago or so.
This one looks a bit better
My phone is too old to care. I guess that's what I should expect for not jumping on every upgrade Apple puts out? (My phone considers iOS 10.3.3 fully up to date, and from what I understand, some of the older models are incompatible with iOS 11, so that's my interpretation of the situation, anyhow...)
Very cool! Would be great to integrate into video commentary.
As a training aid I would rather stick to the tested and true method of 'Can I see if this fits and does what I wanted?' Rather tan faff around with my phone. I do this all the time in casual games. Less so these days, I tend to just go for it if i think it will work.
I suppose it could be useful for seeing options that you hadn't even thought of... I wonder if it will include a 'Whisper training sim'.
11 hours ago, Jehan Menasis said:"Hey man... Can I take a photo of the table to show my friends?"
I don't want to think about the possibility of people trying this. But something to be mindful of while I'm TO'ing for sure.
13 hours ago, PhantomFO said:Obviously this should never be used in a tourney, but as a training tool in casual games?
How would using this in a casual game not be cheating?
1 minute ago, Hannes Solo said:How would using this in a casual game not be cheating?
Because presumably you ask the other person.
Don't need the app for that.
Sure using templates for that reason might be fiddly in some situations and though I can see a case of legitimate use for it. But this thing has a really bad smell of being a cheaters tool.
It's cool, but I doubt it's actually that useful. It doesn't look accurate enough to tell you information you couldn't work out by eye anyway.
9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:It's cool, but I doubt it's actually that useful. It doesn't look accurate enough to tell you information you couldn't work out by eye anyway.
Not once you've flown a couple hundred maneuvers with your ships.
Absolutely before you're at that stage.
13 hours ago, PhantomFO said:DialVision by Melissa Ludowise
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dialvision/id1277244707?mt=8A new app is out that uses iOS 11's new AR tools for the best purpose: to help us visualize maneuvers.
Obviously this should never be used in a tourney, but as a training tool in casual games? This is awesome.
There are a few of these out there already. However, none of them actual work to any practical degree as of yet. Eventually though in a generation or two of miniatures games I would imagine that they are built around this type fo stuff where, while planning you can run visualizations of your own and your opponents moves.
I think it is problematic. Actually it has very little legitimate use while it has obviously a big use for cheating.
People using this in tournaments might be one issue. But another would be that people WILL use this in casual games and they will do it without asking. This my lead to an ugly atmosphere where everyone who fiddles with his or her phone might just be someone who is cheating on you.
EDIT: and even IF they ask you it might get quite annoying:
"Hey man I have this supercool app. R you OK if I use it before I set my dial?"
"Uhm, no, I am not."
"Oh man, u suck!"
Edited by Hannes Solo4 minutes ago, haslo said:Not once you've flown a couple hundred maneuvers with your ships.
Absolutely before you're at that stage.
It's a crutch, beforehand. Use it, and you won't learn to judge by yourself.
14 hours ago, PhantomFO said:DialVision by Melissa Ludowise
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dialvision/id1277244707?mt=8A new app is out that uses iOS 11's new AR tools for the best purpose: to help us visualize maneuvers.
Obviously this should never be used in a tourney, but as a training tool in casual games? This is awesome.
thats cheating, plain and simple.
you arent allowed to perform a maneuver and then an action and decide if thats the maneuver you want. literally says you cant do that in the rulebook.
if this was just to teach a new player and help them visualize movement, but thats not why people want this. its to cheat
It’s gonna be great for Battle reports and those practice games where you are theory crafting and practicing against certain squads so you can screenshot different moments. For some reason my phone says incompatible even though it fits all the requirements...
Edited by Tbetts941 hour ago, Hannes Solo said:How would using this in a casual game not be cheating?
Most of my fellow players have an understanding that if its outside of a tournament then it can largely be considered practice/training. And these games are largely about flying for fun and learning new tricks. So if someone bought this to the table in a casual game I would be 100% okay with it. It's fairly common we play 2 versions of key turns based on different different maneuvers and actions. The point being we will both be playing the same way.
Of course this all depends on your group and who your 'casual game' opponents are.
I play many matches for 'didactical purposes'... Analyzing several possible maneuvers, re-doing turns... This app comes very handy for those.
And you get superb photos for 'squad tactics' blogs and articles... Much more visual and prettier than vassal screenshots.