I don't think Legion will detract from Armada.

However, I do think that using a 6x3 is a factor. With X-Wing, being top dog...

How would you guys space out GenCon and Worlds?

Unfortunately, I see it as.... that's why I'm proposing the "4+4" system (see other threads).

Wed: Bulk Armada

Thurs: Armada Swiss Playoffs, Legion

Fri: Legion Playoffs, X-Wing 1

Sat: X-Wing 2

Sun: X-Wing Playoffs

I guess I can see them switching Armada and Legion but I think Legion will be more popular? Yes, I haven't even factored in IA or Destiny...

Thoughts? Should we fear the Legion? GenCon will be even messier with RuneWars or L5R.

#firstworldproblems

The single biggest problem for Armada is dismissing Armada to a Wednesday/Thursday.

I mean, why does Armada always get the lowest, first, straight up billing when its proven as one of the more successful? Should the "Top Bill", or at least "Secondary Bill" be granted on a Rotating basis of kind?

Well Gencon doesn't start until Thursday, so that schedule won't work for that. Furthermore, worlds shouldn't be a concern since L5R should be timed on the old worlds schedule, and it's longer than Gencon. Meaning Gencon is your bottle neck for play space / registration. They do have Sunday pretty much untouched at this time. I could potentionally see something like this:

Thursday - X Wing Flight 1 (128 players = 64 tables), Armada (64 players = 64 tables), 128 tables total

Friday - X wing Flight 2 (128 players = 64 tables), Legion (64 players = 64 tables), 128 tables total

Saturday - Final Cuts for Legion (4 players = 4 tables), Armada (4 players = 4 tables), X Wing (64 players = 32 tables), IA (128 players = 64 tables), 102 tables total

Sunday - IA Cut (8 players = 4 tables), and various side events

Obviously this doesn't account for Destiny, SWLCG, or L5R, but those are all card games, take less space, and are all on the other half of the FFG OP area at gencon. Actually, I think IA might be over there as well, but this schedule shows that it can easily be incorporated into the mini side of things.

Mind you though, I fitfully admit that Continental Championships and Worlds are outside of my OP purview.

I'm more interested in getting Geographical variance in National championships. As that sort of thing has been a problem for me in every country I've ever lived in, with every game system I've ever played in...

I actually think that Armada and Legion have some strong link potential.

Some friends and I were theory planning a campaign where we could start with a Legion game where the Rebels were trying to break through to ships to excape the world. After that game a Armada game where Imperial player is the first player in a Blockade runner mission.

Lots of ability for these games to be the best of companions.

I think Legion suffers from one major problem. Without supplemental terrain the game is going to potentially be very stale visually and that might even effect gameplay.

Armada's biggest advantage is you can play on any flat surface and the game still works regardless of what else you put on the table. X-Wing as well.

I'm not hating on Legion I just think of the three games its going to come out being the most expensive. You have to account painting with costs and time into it as well.

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

I think Legion suffers from one major problem. Without supplemental terrain the game is going to potentially be very stale visually and that might even effect gameplay.

Armada's biggest advantage is you can play on any flat surface and the game still works regardless of what else you put on the table. X-Wing as well.

I'm not hating on Legion I just think of the three games its going to come out being the most expensive. You have to account painting with costs and time into it as well.

I got away from wmh because of the amount of time / work that goes into painting(40k too but rules were more responsible for that). We'll see, maybe Legion will be amaizng, I'm still iffy on the dial system for games like it and Rune.

The cool thing about Terrain is it can be as expensive as you want, and as cheap as you want.

Simple buildings built from cardboard with a hot glue gun, exacto knife, some 98 cent spray paint from Walmart is cheap, and done in about a ½ hour. Doing a tub full for an ever changing table is easy. And your cost is negligible and they will last for years.

Or you can find some people doing spec orders on the web and spend a fortune.

But no one is going to judge you for what route you choose.

17 minutes ago, Hawktel said:

But no one is going to judge you for what route you choose.

You say that.

But they will.

In both directions.

It just happens.

6 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

I got away from wmh because of the amount of time / work that goes into painting(40k too but rules were more responsible for that). We'll see, maybe Legion will be amaizng, I'm still iffy on the dial system for games like it and Rune.

What dial system? RW has one, but Legion does not.

29 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

What dial system? RW has one, but Legion does not.

Does it not? I was under the impression it did.

15 hours ago, Khyros said:

X Wing Flight 1 (128 players = 64 tables), Armada (64 players = 64 tables), 128 tables total

There's something a little off (out of wack not fishy) with this....

Either you mean 128 players for armada or 32 tables! Which would give you 32 tables for Legion/RW/L5R

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Edit - ah on 2nd read I get what you are saying.... to make a full game table you require two table spaces where as for X-wing you only require a half table area per gamer.... giving you double the space for Armada to X-wing... is that right?

5 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

Does it not? I was under the impression it did.

Nope

14 hours ago, Forresto said:

I think Legion suffers from one major problem. Without supplemental terrain the game is going to potentially be very stale visually and that might even effect gameplay.

Armada's biggest advantage is you can play on any flat surface and the game still works regardless of what else you put on the table. X-Wing as well.

I'm not hating on Legion I just think of the three games its going to come out being the most expensive. You have to account painting with costs and time into it as well.

Legion piqued my interest when o heard about it before details were released. When I discovered the scale, the unpainted minis and the amount of scenery that would be needed my interest flatlined.

I had a huge collection of Warhammer (Rogue Trader era) minis and Necromunda armies, of which maybe 10 ever got painted. I spent ages making polystyrene hills and purchasing bulkheads to make more Necromunda card buildings that were barely used.

Armada's flat surface play and lack of painting is what tipped it for me. I don't suppose that I'm in any way representative of the wargaming community but those factors might dissuade more casual gamers from picking it up.

48 minutes ago, ManInTheBox said:

Legion piqued my interest when o heard about it before details were released. When I discovered the scale, the unpainted minis and the amount of scenery that would be needed my interest flatlined.

added to this list is that the scale is different to Imperial Assault... so the figs arent inter changeable... that fact killed off most of the enthusiasm for the game in the club I regularly go to.

3 hours ago, slasher956 said:

There's something a little off (out of wack not fishy) with this....

Either you mean 128 players for armada or 32 tables! Which would give you 32 tables for Legion/RW/L5R

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Edit - ah on 2nd read I get what you are saying.... to make a full game table you require two table spaces where as for X-wing you only require a half table area per gamer.... giving you double the space for Armada to X-wing... is that right?

I think he just means a table is a 3x3 space. So X-Wing, being played on a 3x3 table, needs 1 table per match-up, or 1 table per 2 players. Armada and Legion are played on a 6x3 space, so need 2 3x3 tables per match-up, or 2 tables per two players, and thus 1 table per player.

It looks interesting and as I play other miniature wargames I'm used to painting and have alot of scenery. Will even be interesting to play on IA maps without using squares.

The missions look interesting more mission depth than armada by the look of things which might be nice. I suspect alot of hype at the start then it might calm down.

At least the core box is a viable skirmish and i suspect people will buy two. Or like i did with armada 3 between two players.

I'm very interested in legion. I have never painted or built terrain but I see a lot of potential in that game. Armada is running out of ships (my interests are only original trilogy ships) so I will need something else to waste my money on soon. I also see myself creating possible legion/armada campaign for me and my group. Very exciting times indeed.

20 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

You say that.

But they will.

In both directions.

It just happens.

Why does that matter if you are having a good time playing the game with your cheap hand-made, or expensive commercially-produced terrain? Been playing 40K and WFB since the late 80's and I was happy with whatever terrain we had. Heck, I was just happy to be playing.

And I'm the same way with Infinity. I don't care where I'm playing, whether its at home on my Necromunda offcasts, Book piles and such, or at the Club where I've donated a huge amount of custom crafted stuff, or at a place where there's nothing but MAS terrain.

My Point is, there are people who are going to judge you... If you have simple cardboard, or matched up terrain, you're a tightwad who needs to invest either time or money into making things look better, because it looks like crap.

If you have full sets of sculpted terrain, now you're just rubbing peoples noses in your opulence.

Its disappointing, for sure.

I'm just pointing out that you will get judged.

Whether you care about being judged is entirely up to you.