43 minutes ago, SabineKey said:Honestly, a lot of times, the advantage that gets TLT fielded more is its range rather than double tap ability. Stresshogs would have gone with Ion Turrets in a heart beat over TLTs if it was the same range increment of 2-3.
I full heartedly agree. I actually think if tlt was range 1-2 instead of 2-3, that alone might be enough to make it reasonable.
well, maybe make it just range 2. Would be interesting to test either way.
Edited by KdubbJust now, Kdubb said:I full heartedly agree. I actually think if tlt was range 1-2 instead of 2-3, that alone might be enough to make it reasonable.
As much as I would hate the loss of range, I agree.
Has anyone regularly been up against Kavil with TLT? Its in my mates list every time. I had to buy a scum list to beat him lol.
Why not just make it Limited Unique?
Thanks Sabine, once again, I haven't a brain.....nice to have friendly pilots at your 6. I'd rather just one per list, cause that crazy Ghost with a pair of them seems to be an angry build.
Edited by clanofwolves1 minute ago, clanofwolves said:Why not just make it Limited?
The current term Limited does nothing as it only applies to one of an upgrade on a ship.
Now making it unique, or adding a clause that you can only have say 2 in a list, might be workable.
11 minutes ago, SabineKey said:The current term Limited does nothing as it only applies to one of an upgrade on a ship.
Now making it unique, or adding a clause that you can only have say 2 in a list, might be workable.
Would that fix Nym+Miranda with TLT?
No, only TLT spam, that few people actually use anymore.
2 minutes ago, Azrapse said:Would that fix Nym+Miranda with TLT?
No, only TLT spam, that few people actually use anymore.
True. Plus it would not satisfy those who rage against the the Ghost with it. But I've always felt that the TLT spam was more egregious. The problem with Nym+Miranda is more the pilots themselves than TLT.
1 minute ago, SabineKey said:True. Plus it would not satisfy those who rage against the the Ghost with it. But I've always felt that the TLT spam was more egregious. The problem with Nym+Miranda is more the pilots themselves than TLT.
Let's remember that Miranda came out in Wave 7, and she wasn't setting the world on fire just after that. And she already had Conner net, extra munitions, etc. Why? (Three Warden K-wings with TLT and tacticians reached the top in Worlds that year and were soon after neutered by the FAQ that introduced the Attack Timing Chart to make tactician no longer trigger twice with TLT).
Next spring that year I took Miranda as part of my squad to a tournament and everyone there was wondering why I was fielding such a worthless and expensive pilot. (I reached the final and was defeated by 4 TLT, by the way).
Why is she all of sudden a problem?
The problem is the broken upgrades they have released since. Sabine is the one breaking Rebel bombs. I accept that Nym is a problem but not so much for its ability, but because it can equip genius, bomblets, AC or advanced sensor, a turret, ... It's absurd. Any pilot in the game would be broken if they were allowed to play with all the toy they could ever want. Miranda didn´'t get an EPT to keep her under control. Why did Nym get one, though?
Miranda could bring 4 bombs, 6 with Sabine if you really spent lots of points on filling her up to the brim. So you could use her tops 6 times. Now Nym can use Bomblets and Sabine/Cad Bane for the whole game. That is a lot more instant-damage with nothing to counter it. What were they thinking?
2 minutes ago, Azrapse said:Let's remember that Miranda came out in Wave 7, and she wasn't setting the world on fire just after that. And she already had Conner net, extra munitions, etc. Why? (Three Warden K-wings with TLT and tacticians reached the top in Worlds that year and were soon after neutered by the FAQ that introduced the Attack Timing Chart to make tactician no longer trigger twice with TLT).
Next spring that year I took Miranda as part of my squad to a tournament and everyone there was wondering why I was fielding such a worthless and expensive pilot. (I reached the final and was defeated by 4 TLT, by the way).Why is she all of sudden a problem?
The problem is the broken upgrades they have released since. Sabine is the one breaking Rebel bombs. I accept that Nym is a problem but not so much for its ability, but because it can equip genius, bomblets, AC or advanced sensor, a turret, ... It's absurd. Any pilot in the game would be broken if they were allowed to play with all the toy they could ever want. Miranda didn´'t get an EPT to keep her under control. Why did Nym get one, though?
Miranda could bring 4 bombs, 6 with Sabine if you really spent lots of points on filling her up to the brim. So you could use her tops 6 times. Now Nym can use Bomblets and Sabine/Cad Bane for the whole game. That is a lot more instant-damage with nothing to counter it. What were they thinking?
I'll give you the Miranda point, but that's still not on TLT as it came in the pack with her. The amount of tweaking for bombs went over board, leading to Nym. It was like trying to give water to someone who is dehydrated then realizing that you've drown them.
1 hour ago, Azrapse said:Let's remember that Miranda came out in Wave 7, and she wasn't setting the world on fire just after that. And she already had Conner net, extra munitions, etc. Why? (Three Warden K-wings with TLT and tacticians reached the top in Worlds that year and were soon after neutered by the FAQ that introduced the Attack Timing Chart to make tactician no longer trigger twice with TLT).
Next spring that year I took Miranda as part of my squad to a tournament and everyone there was wondering why I was fielding such a worthless and expensive pilot. (I reached the final and was defeated by 4 TLT, by the way).Why is she all of sudden a problem?
The problem is the broken upgrades they have released since. Sabine is the one breaking Rebel bombs. I accept that Nym is a problem but not so much for its ability, but because it can equip genius, bomblets, AC or advanced sensor, a turret, ... It's absurd. Any pilot in the game would be broken if they were allowed to play with all the toy they could ever want. Miranda didn´'t get an EPT to keep her under control. Why did Nym get one, though?
Miranda could bring 4 bombs, 6 with Sabine if you really spent lots of points on filling her up to the brim. So you could use her tops 6 times. Now Nym can use Bomblets and Sabine/Cad Bane for the whole game. That is a lot more instant-damage with nothing to counter it. What were they thinking?
Your experience is different than mine. I widely remember Miranda being a very strong and popular pilot from the get go.
Once Sabine dropped she really went to the next level though.
15 hours ago, SabineKey said:First, make it not have to spend the focus to fire. Then we can see what else it needs.
Or if you make it so that there is the native modification for the attack that could work as well. It is designed to make the HWK from 1 firepower to 3 firepower which isn't a bad idea but the thing is with the exception of cannons a lot of secondary weapons do not make up for low firepower. If the HWK could take HLC it may be fine in the firepower category.
11 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:Blaster Turret is actually fine. Yes it sucks but that is the Tax you should have to pay for ignoring your arc. TLT not only allowes you to fire ot of arc but also upgrades your attack to something that is much better when your primary would be.
okay dude, you need to lay off the glitterstim
5 minutes ago, Marinealver said:Or if you make it so that there is the native modification for the attack that could work as well. It is designed to make the HWK from 1 firepower to 3 firepower which isn't a bad idea but the thing is with the exception of cannons a lot of secondary weapons do not make up for low firepower. If the HWK could take HLC it may be fine in the firepower category.
okay dude, you need to lay off the glitterstim
From a purely offensive prospective, that can work. But having the choice to save the focus for defense feels more useful with some of the stat lines of most turret carriers (Ghost being the clear exception, and the Y-Wing and the Scrugg being eh).
I wouldn't mind a HWK with HLC, it it's dial wasn't crap.
17 hours ago, SabineKey said:You are dealing with theories and are still have your head stuck in averages and not in actual gameplay moments. Expected values don't mean other values don't exist. And considering luck is a factor in this game, averages isn't the only thing to expect.
I find you lack of faith in statistics ... disturbing.
It does a maximum of two damage. A nerf is ridiculous and unnecessary.
Well, Palpatine was a maximum of one single die modified per round. A nerf was ridiculous and unnecessary..... But....
15 minutes ago, Jehan Menasis said:Well, Palpatine was a maximum of one single die modified per round. A nerf was ridiculous and unnecessary..... But....
I can already imagine how the TLT nerf will turn out:
Twin Laser Turret
Rebel and Scum only
...
Edited by Hannes Solo1 hour ago, Nickel said:It does a maximum of two damage. A nerf is ridiculous and unnecessary.
A max it consistently hits. That's the issue.
Ridiculous and unnecessary? With it outnumbering other turrets something like 10 to 1, I'm gonna say certainly not ridiculous. Nothing is "necessary", per se, but it sure seems like the game would be a little more interesting if TLT didn't occupy 90%+ or so of the turret slots.
19 hours ago, Azrapse said:What were they thinking?
Something like "Dang, we're gonna sell loads of that ugly ship now !" ?
42 minutes ago, Jehan Menasis said:Well, Palpatine was a maximum of one single die modified per round. A nerf was ridiculous and unnecessary..... But....
Seriously, still whining about Palp?
Dude, when used to save a full kited Soontir 1HP, Palp was saving 11 squad points per use. No, this nerf wasn't ridiculous, but logical.
The thing is, few other things (TLT is one of those) needed the same treatment for a while. That's the problem.
Indeed, it's obvious that there's nothing left to save Soontir.
Palpatine was nerfed not because it were really necessary, but to make a statement. However if that statement is not applied equally to the other factions, I'm afraid the credibility of the developers will get compromised, and questioned.
35 minutes ago, Kdubb said:A max it consistently hits. That's the issue.
Ridiculous and unnecessary? With it outnumbering other turrets something like 10 to 1, I'm gonna say certainly not ridiculous. Nothing is "necessary", per se, but it sure seems like the game would be a little more interesting if TLT didn't occupy 90%+ or so of the turret slots.
On the other hand, it's entirely possible that, instead of seeing other turrets in those turret slots, you will see those slots empty, or see those ships no longer fielded altogether.
I honestly don't see any ship people are currently fielding with TLT and will still be competitive with another turret. Even for Miranda, without TLT is there really a reason to use something else over its own PWT?
3 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:I find you lack of faith in statistics ... disturbing.
And I find your lack of faith in anything else disturbing.
With Nym being this strongly represented in competetive play, a TLT nerf is the last thing you should be thinking about.
1 hour ago, Sarcon said:With Nym being this strongly represented in competetive play, a TLT nerf is the last thing you should be thinking about.
why? Nym loves TLT, to the point where it seems to have taken precedence over autoblaster by a large margin least according to the data people have taken the time to put in
2 hours ago, Sarcon said:With Nym being this strongly represented in competetive play, a TLT nerf is the last thing you should be thinking about.
Huh? I don't think there have been many people stating that Nym is fine and TLT is the only issue in the game. I think there has just been the point made that TLT is almost CERTAINLY an issue. Similar arguments can (and have been) made about Nym.