oh sure NERF TLT after the Empire gets a TLT platform!!! lol

On 9/20/2017 at 0:50 PM, Kdubb said:

Your experience is different than mine. I widely remember Miranda being a very strong and popular pilot from the get go.

Once Sabine dropped she really went to the next level though.

Sure, Miranda was strong and popular. Sure, she became stronger and more popular when Sabine arrived. But other things that were contemporaneous either with Miranda or Miranda + Sabine:

-Palp Aces (in its various permutations)

-Triple Scouts, which is pretty much a hard counter. One blocks, the other two fire and oh hey it's Boba let's get rid of...your TLT. Also you have like three hull left. And I'm slooping next turn and firing again if you're still in range. [blitzcrank laugh]

-Dengaroo, lol

-x7, lol

-Parattani, lol.

-Quad TLT, good luck with that regen

And the point is: yeah, Miranda was good. Yeah, Miranda was strong. Yeah, Miranda + Sabine, same deal. But even with Sabine, Miranda was never a meta-shattering force on her own. ****, she was extremely vulnerable to Aggressors, as their cannons tear through her in two turns while her TLT mostly just bounces off. And there were no wingmen to pair her with that would let her shatter the meta. There was no list with Miranda that was as good as its contemporary top lists for, what, eighteen months?

Miranda isn't the problem.

4 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

why? Nym loves TLT, to the point where it seems to have taken precedence over autoblaster by a large margin least according to the data people have taken the time to put in

http://meta-wing.com/pilots/257?

My experience is that you can melt down Nym pretty fast once you start shooting at him with a TLT

Double post, my bad

6 hours ago, Jehan Menasis said:

Palpatine was nerfed not because it were really necessary, but to make a statement. However if that statement is not applied equally to the other factions, I'm afraid the credibility of the developers will get compromised, and questioned.

Palpatine was nerfed because it still was necessary to all people not willing to play autobomb/autodamage, and avoid that the best arc dodgers in the game were also the most efficient jousters.

Note that if perfectly played, Palp card may be just as efficient than before the nerf. What was added was some range limitation and, more importantly, some uncertainty about the using (or not) of the effect (aka "now you will have to use your brain a little bit").
So if the statement was "we are gonna make this game more skill based", I'm all for it and happy to wait for what's coming next (but with what new ships followed since then, I'm not sure at all about that ^^).

PS : I'm not saying Palp is now perfectly costed, personaly I feel that with the range restriction, the double slot may be a little too much.

3 hours ago, Giledhil said:

Palpatine was nerfed because it still was necessary to all people not willing to play autobomb/autodamage, and avoid that the best arc dodgers in the game were also the most efficient jousters.

Note that if perfectly played, Palp card may be just as efficient than before the nerf. What was added was some range limitation and, more importantly, some uncertainty about the using (or not) of the effect (aka "now you will have to use your brain a little bit").
So if the statement was "we are gonna make this game more skill based", I'm all for it and happy to wait for what's coming next (but with what new ships followed since then, I'm not sure at all about that ^^).

PS : I'm not saying Palp is now perfectly costed, personaly I feel that with the range restriction, the double slot may be a little too much.

They didn't nerf his range (thank god).

5 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

They didn't nerf his range (thank god).

I thought he was 1-3 now. So he's perfect after all

11 hours ago, Swedge said:

oh sure NERF TLT after the Empire gets a TLT platform!!! lol

They're doing it with the Gunboat and adv. Slam, I can't find it wrong.

10 hours ago, Cerve said:

They're doing it with the Gunboat and adv. Slam, I can't find it wrong.

But... the Adv Slam nerf doesnt effect the gunboat...

does it..?

1 minute ago, Kdubb said:

But... the Adv Slam nerf doesnt effect the gunboat...

does it..?

Well...in broad terms, yes. They can't SLAM and do an action card. Will it care? Probably not.

What Ibe heard, and I'll never tell how, is that although the designers had it on the nerf testing list, it just hasn't been put on the FAQ draft for some reason. It's akin to the Biggs nerf testing, same thing.

But as far as TLTs, I think if it had s bigger showing in Nationals (besides Nym and Miranda) it might have gotten more of a push, IDK. The Aggressor is just a solid platform for it like Y-Wings, they're not OP, they cannot rise to the top.

On 9/20/2017 at 11:38 AM, ModernPenguin said:

12 points would be wildly, inapproiately costed.
That's a Z-95 you lose for the ability to do 2 damage if you roll nicely.

If you had made me chose between an extra Z-95 and TLT on Miranda, then I would throw away that Z so fast is entered hyperspace.

They just need to make some better cheaper turrets for people to choose from. This game is fixed by power creep.

Also they just gave TLT to imperials. I highly doubt they will nerf a thing they just re-printed.

Tlt takes longer to resolve than I like it to. But other than that it is pretty tame by today's standards.

TLT is a great example of the high accuracy low damage weapons people ask for as part of x-wing 2.0.

19 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Well...in broad terms, yes. They can't SLAM and do an action card. Will it care? Probably not.

Oh no, not mAh seismics !!!

But yeah, seems the Gunboat was designed heavily around making an faqed ASLAM a not-dead card

4 hours ago, MrAndersson said:

If you had made me chose between an extra Z-95 and TLT on Miranda, then I would throw away that Z so fast is entered hyperspace.

How about choosing between TLT or Outrider + HLC? ;-) Still think it is worth it?

5 hours ago, ModernPenguin said:

How about choosing between TLT or Outrider + HLC? ;-) Still think it is worth it?

Why not have both?

My point is that on Miranda, TLT is worth more than on anything else. For her, points cost is almost irrelevant, as long as it leaves enough squad points to bring a friend that can carry her to an end game against something that is worth less than her.

TLT has killed arc dodgers.

26 minutes ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

TLT has killed arc dodgers.

Perhaps. But it DEFINITELY killed traditional jousters (Bwing, Xwing, G1A...)

28 minutes ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

TLT has killed arc dodgers.

Um, no. Autothruster Arc Dodgers dealt with them just fine. It was actually auto damage that did them in.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

Um, no. Autothruster Arc Dodgers dealt with them just fine. It was actually auto damage that did them in.

yeah true. compounded effects. bombs put them over the edge. soontir went into hiding long b4 bombs started taking steroids tho. bombs aka auto damage just broke the camels back.

bombs have restricted agile ships ability to arc dodge and give chase. now they give chase and get bombed, they hang back they get TLT'd. two bad choices. Sure autothrusters will help limit damage taken but ur fighting a losing battle if u think green dice will beat red dice.

meta has morphed into two ship tanks. one tank drops bombs while the other take throws red dice. i know there are a few other lists that are competitive and ppl will cry 'just fly better' but those in the know KNOW there has been a disturbance in the balance of this game... we are playing in a meta where red dice and auto damage wins more than 'flying better does'.

Did you notice what squad Paul Heaver was winning with? Did you see what squads made the top16? top8? at your store champs? did any of those lists use at least one TLT, bomblet generator or Sabine? Were any of those ships using PS10 Nym, jumpmasters or K-Wings with regen and TLT and bombs? I would suggest that over half the field were and for good reason. These ships are superior to 80% of the rest of the ships in the game. I'm not seeing much diversity and I'm not seeing many competitive lists that don't use TLT's and/or bombs.

8 minutes ago, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

yeah true. compounded effects. bombs put them over the edge. soontir went into hiding far b4 bombs started taking steroids tho. mobs just broke the camels back.

There are several effects, though I feel that some (like the current bomb situations) could have done it all on there own.