1. I was reading the Lion Clan analysis in cardgamedb, and read this about Way of lion: "The latest rulings change say that Way stacks multiplicatively, meaning you play 2 for 4x, and 3 for 8x". Is that right?
2. Ide trader ability can trigger itself? This makes no sense to me..
3. If you don't brake Pilgrimage, your opponent can't use display of power, right?
33 minutes ago, L5RBr said:3. If you don't brake Pilgrimage, your opponent can't use display of power, right?
I brake for no provinces. And yes, since you resolve it as if you were attacking.
35 minutes ago, L5RBr said:2. Ide trader ability can trigger itself? This makes no sense to me..
It is a reaction, so everything resolves up to the triggering condition. When the trader moves in, means they are now participating, and since a character just moved (Doesn't specify another character), it triggers.
I've heard conflicting reports on Way of the Lion.
1 hour ago, L5RBr said:1. I was reading the Lion Clan analysis in cardgamedb, and read this about Way of lion: "The latest rulings change say that Way stacks multiplicatively, meaning you play 2 for 4x, and 3 for 8x". Is that right?
In one of the FB live events, Brad stated that each WotL will add their base strength again. So, on a 3 skill character, the first gives +3, the second gives another +3, the third gives another +3.
I do not know what this "latest rulings change" is speaking of.
Edited by Yogo Gohei4 minutes ago, Yogo Gohei said:In one of the FB live events, Brad stated that each WotL will add their base strength again. So, on a 3 skill character, the first gives +3, the second gives another +3, the third gives another +3.
I do not know what this "latest rulings change" is speaking of.
I remember that, but I thought someone got a more recent ruling saying that it is multiplicative from Nate.
1) Intuitively it seems like it is multiplicative because "doubling the base" means the base value changes. The quote from Nate on cardgamedb about Yunako & WotL seems to imply this is true. If it is additive then I hope they include that in a FAQ as that is the less intuitive interpretation.
2) Ide Trader does indeed trigger off of its self. This is not 100% intuitive either, but a good learning point that is very important for all cards going forward. The important thing to remember with reactions is that they look at everything from a perspective after they happened. So don't think of it as "when this happens" but more "did this just happen?" From the perspective after Ide Trader has already moved - Ide Trader moved to the conflict he is at now.
A good check for abilities is to check the qualifiers. If a card is excluded from its own ability it will typically say "other character." Same for you and your opponent, notice Ide Trader doesn't say "After 1 or more of your characters..." This means that it can trigger if your opponent moves a character there as well. A good rule of thumb - if there isn't a qualifier limiting the interaction, then the interaction is allowed.
3) Display of Power & Pilgrimage is an interesting one that I hadn't thought of before. In order to play Display of Power it has to have the potential to change the game state, not considering costs. The Ring Effect is already cancelled by Pilgrimage so Display of Power cannot cancel a ring effect too. The word "Then" is defined on page 16 of the RR document. It states that the proceeding text MUST be resolved in order for the following text to be resolved. If you do not cancel a ring effect, then you cannot claim the ring, or resolve its ability as if you were the attacker.
From this I would say you cannot play Display of Power if Pilgrimage doesn't break because the pre-Then text cannot effect the game state, and without resolving the pre-Then text the post-Then text doesn't even try to resolve.
I'm fairly certain this is the ruling on this. I'm open to other arguments.
Edited by shosukoPilgrimage has a constant effect which, per the rules reference, is active once its condition is met. The condition is simply "during conflicts at this province," so the cancel (of ALL ring effects) begins from the moment the conflict is initiated. So, it will always be activated before display of power can be used, preventing DoP's cancel effect. As Shosuko points out, text after the "then" is not resolved, which is important because this means you cannot use DoP to claim the ring (in addition to not being able to resolve its effect) if the cancel effect is not successfully resolved.
8 hours ago, Mirith said:I remember that, but I thought someone got a more recent ruling saying that it is multiplicative from Nate.
It is multiplicative.
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37124-way-of-the-lion-bayushi-yunako/
"Correct, the first one establishes a new base of 6, the second one then uses that base to establish a base of 12.
[Nate French, 08.09.2017]"
Edited by selderane9 hours ago, selderane said:It is multiplicative.
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37124-way-of-the-lion-bayushi-yunako/
"Correct, the first one establishes a new base of 6, the second one then uses that base to establish a base of 12.
[Nate French, 08.09.2017]"
Since we have gotten conflicting answers from two separate, official, FFG sources how do we know that this is the real ruling? (Note: I have no doubt that this is the real ruling since it makes much more sense than the original ruling)
Can I assume that an FAQ, or some sort of official rulings list, will be forthcoming?
25 minutes ago, Yogo Gohei said:Since we have gotten conflicting answers from two separate, official, FFG sources how do we know that this is the real ruling? (Note: I have no doubt that this is the real ruling since it makes much more sense than the original ruling)
Can I assume that an FAQ, or some sort of official rulings list, will be forthcoming?
Yes, and I think we can lean towards which ever is the more recent ruling. First ruling was in June before we even really had enough cards to play. Later ruling was within the past month or so.
Fallen in Battle might actually be playable now. Slightly. Kinda.
1-of?
The main issue I have with the ruling from Nate is that the Rules Reference states that the Base Value is "The value of a quantity before other modifiers are applied. For most quantities, it is also the printed value." This would mean that you would still go with just the base +3 instead of changing the value to a 6, since Way of the Lion would be a modifier.
20 hours ago, Asahina_Thornrose said:The main issue I have with the ruling from Nate is that the Rules Reference states that the Base Value is "The value of a quantity before other modifiers are applied. For most quantities, it is also the printed value." This would mean that you would still go with just the base +3 instead of changing the value to a 6, since Way of the Lion would be a modifier.
I actually think WotL #2 should just do nothing to the guy. But that is not the case.
21 hours ago, Asahina_Thornrose said:The main issue I have with the ruling from Nate is that the Rules Reference states that the Base Value is "The value of a quantity before other modifiers are applied. For most quantities, it is also the printed value." This would mean that you would still go with just the base +3 instead of changing the value to a 6, since Way of the Lion would be a modifier.
Correct. I just didn't want to say it because people will get uppity if I start question Nate's rulings again.