It amazes me that we haven't seen PS11 Han in the meta. He was the counter for X-Wings first "cancer" and now with Nym he seems like the obvious choice.

Three things seem stapled:

Veteran Instincts

Engine Upgrade

MF Old Title

I ran Han at a tournament and a friend said, "I like your build but I would had gone with the new title". I don't think that's the right call. I'd rather save myself 4-5 health of my huge point investment during a game than give my PWT Ship another way to turn around. I kite the entire game anyways.

So what it comes down to him is the Crew. With Predator Han I loved HSCP & Gunner/Luke, but Gunner isn't needed too much and the combo really need Predator to be effective. The point investment cuts out a lot of Aces too.

This last weekend I ran Kanan/Kyle, but it was a specialty tournament where everyone ran Debris and there were two Extra Large Debris too. So there was a guarantee of Debris and Han was amazing. However, that combo doesn't work in standard play.

My Crew Suggestion: Rey/C-3PO

Rey: Just like Dash, Han needs to use his Action for reposition. This can also free up the occasional TL to set up some range 1 shots.

C-3PO: Another way to protect the large point investment.

This build comes out to only 57 points. Rey is typically in this range and one might say, "Why not just run Rey instead of Han?" First Rey needs actions so PS10 Rey won't cut it. Second, she wants to joust not kite and that is horrible in a meta filled with bombs and fairship.

So we have 43 Points for a partner. My suggestion is BB-8 Poe. Rebels Ace options are limited. My style is typically Imperial Aces so I can feel I will be most suited for a Poe built as such:

PS8, Intensity, BB-8, Comm Relay, Title, Autothrusters. This comes to 41 points. If you prefer PS9 Poe you can go to 100 and it fits. IMO I would rather have the 2 point bid for PS11 Han with so much PS11 QuickDraw and Vader out there. Only PS8 ships that PS9 Poe would be above is Miranda. Which would be awesome in the matchup, but would still get beaten out with Pilot Skill by most other ships now so rather save the points for those matchups.

The partner can change for taste though. If you wanna run Miranda. The OP^Cubed Miranda is 44 points so Concussion Missiles can be switched to something else to fit room. Nora can also fit in the list. The 57 Point Han really allows for the room that the Falcon really needed.

Han Solo — YT-1300 46
Veteran Instincts 1
C-3PO 3
Rey 2
Engine Upgrade 4
Millennium Falcon 1
Ship Total: 57

Poe Dameron — T-70 X-Wing 31
Intensity 2
BB-8 2
Comm Relay 3
Autothrusters 2
Black One 1
Ship Total: 41

Total 98 Points

49 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

It amazes me that we haven't seen PS11 Han in the meta. He was the counter for X-Wings first "cancer" and now with Nym he seems like the obvious choice.

Three things seem stapled:

Veteran Instincts

Engine Upgrade

MF Old Title

I ran Han at a tournament and a friend said, "I like your build but I would had gone with the new title". I don't think that's the right call. I'd rather save myself 4-5 health of my huge point investment during a game than give my PWT Ship another way to turn around. I kite the entire game anyways.

So what it comes down to him is the Crew. With Predator Han I loved HSCP & Gunner/Luke, but Gunner isn't needed too much and the combo really need Predator to be effective. The point investment cuts out a lot of Aces too.

This last weekend I ran Kanan/Kyle, but it was a specialty tournament where everyone ran Debris and there were two Extra Large Debris too. So there was a guarantee of Debris and Han was amazing. However, that combo doesn't work in standard play.

My Crew Suggestion: Rey/C-3PO

Rey: Just like Dash, Han needs to use his Action for reposition. This can also free up the occasional TL to set up some range 1 shots.

C-3PO: Another way to protect the large point investment.

This build comes out to only 57 points. Rey is typically in this range and one might say, "Why not just run Rey instead of Han?" First Rey needs actions so PS10 Rey won't cut it. Second, she wants to joust not kite and that is horrible in a meta filled with bombs and fairship.

So we have 43 Points for a partner. My suggestion is BB-8 Poe. Rebels Ace options are limited. My style is typically Imperial Aces so I can feel I will be most suited for a Poe built as such:

PS8, Intensity, BB-8, Comm Relay, Title, Autothrusters. This comes to 41 points. If you prefer PS9 Poe you can go to 100 and it fits. IMO I would rather have the 2 point bid for PS11 Han with so much PS11 QuickDraw and Vader out there. Only PS8 ships that PS9 Poe would be above is Miranda. Which would be awesome in the matchup, but would still get beaten out with Pilot Skill by most other ships now so rather save the points for those matchups.

The partner can change for taste though. If you wanna run Miranda. The OP^Cubed Miranda is 44 points so Concussion Missiles can be switched to something else to fit room. Nora can also fit in the list. The 57 Point Han really allows for the room that the Falcon really needed.

Han Solo — YT-1300 46
Veteran Instincts 1
C-3PO 3
Rey 2
Engine Upgrade 4
Millennium Falcon 1
Ship Total: 57

Poe Dameron — T-70 X-Wing 31
Intensity 2
BB-8 2
Comm Relay 3
Autothrusters 2
Black One 1
Ship Total: 41

Total 98 Points

Only comment is that with deliberately accepting a lower PS, Black One may not be a massively useful upgrade. On the other hand, there's naff all else to spend the points on. If you want to drop your initiative bid, Seismic Torpedoes might be useful to clear a path for Han if you need to, but that's the only other thing I can think of.

2 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Only comment is that with deliberately accepting a lower PS, Black One may not be a massively useful upgrade. On the other hand, there's naff all else to spend the points on. If you want to drop your initiative bid, Seismic Torpedoes might be useful to clear a path for Han if you need to, but that's the only other thing I can think of.

Pretty much there's no reason to be at PS9 anymore. PS8 Poe even helps versus the Miranda matchup actually cuz you can move before her to stop a Cluster Mine drop from happening.

Black One helps a ton versus Alpha Strikes since it also works on yourself. Drop the TL they tried to just get on you.

PS11 Han is already earmarked for my return to rebels, he's pretty damned strong still! The problem is, as always, what to fly with him.

"We" have - the Germans already were experimenting with PS11 Han/Nym.

11 minutes ago, NoShieldsAllGuts said:

"We" have - the Germans already were experimenting with PS11 Han/Nym.

Can you point us to some lists?

4 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

It amazes me that we haven't seen PS11 Han in the meta. He was the counter for X-Wings first "cancer" and now with Nym he seems like the obvious choice.

Great minds think alike

I have been using PS11 Han paired with Navigator and Rey crew. Han has been really great vs Nym and pretty much anything TLT. Ive tried Nym, Poetensity, Wulf, and a couple Fringer builds. Not sure if I am sold on anything yet. I want something dangerous endgame so Han isnt enemy #1, but also something that does damage (aka not Poe) because Han can have a hard time punching damage through on high agi ships. HLC fringer has been my favorite so far because if people chase Han, fringer unloads, and if they come after Fringer, I have him with ion projector to block. But Im leaning toward Miranda at the moment for my next partner to try.

Navigator and Rey work well, I see the field move, then can navigate to range 1 and TL, bring down focus and get 4 dice attack with ease, or navigate to purposely bump, then fire at another target so I only get 1 shot back in return.

1 hour ago, wurms said:

Great minds think alike

I have been using PS11 Han paired with Navigator and Rey crew. Han has been really great vs Nym and pretty much anything TLT. Ive tried Nym, Poetensity, Wulf, and a couple Fringer builds. Not sure if I am sold on anything yet. I want something dangerous endgame so Han isnt enemy #1, but also something that does damage (aka not Poe) because Han can have a hard time punching damage through on high agi ships. HLC fringer has been my favorite so far because if people chase Han, fringer unloads, and if they come after Fringer, I have him with ion projector to block. But Im leaning toward Miranda at the moment for my next partner to try.

Navigator and Rey work well, I see the field move, then can navigate to range 1 and TL, bring down focus and get 4 dice attack with ease, or navigate to purposely bump, then fire at another target so I only get 1 shot back in return.

Your Fringer/Han list...how do you fit anything in? The Fringer alone is at least 38 if you don't equip the title.

Neat list, though. I love flying OT ships like the Falcon.

1 hour ago, wurms said:

Great minds think alike

I have been using PS11 Han paired with Navigator and Rey crew. Han has been really great vs Nym and pretty much anything TLT. Ive tried Nym, Poetensity, Wulf, and a couple Fringer builds. Not sure if I am sold on anything yet. I want something dangerous endgame so Han isnt enemy #1, but also something that does damage (aka not Poe) because Han can have a hard time punching damage through on high agi ships. HLC fringer has been my favorite so far because if people chase Han, fringer unloads, and if they come after Fringer, I have him with ion projector to block. But Im leaning toward Miranda at the moment for my next partner to try.

Navigator and Rey work well, I see the field move, then can navigate to range 1 and TL, bring down focus and get 4 dice attack with ease, or navigate to purposely bump, then fire at another target so I only get 1 shot back in return.

I could definitely recommend giving Norra a shot - she's an amazing brawler, solid damage dealer but a difficult nut to crack simultaneously due to her flexible ability. Her full regen build is quite cheap (41 with VT for repositioning shenanigans). What's even better is that you're not running 3PO on your Falcon, so you can place him on Norra for amazing endgame fortress ARC.

3 hours ago, wurms said:

Great minds think alike

I have been using PS11 Han paired with Navigator and Rey crew. Han has been really great vs Nym and pretty much anything TLT. Ive tried Nym, Poetensity, Wulf, and a couple Fringer builds. Not sure if I am sold on anything yet. I want something dangerous endgame so Han isnt enemy #1, but also something that does damage (aka not Poe) because Han can have a hard time punching damage through on high agi ships. HLC fringer has been my favorite so far because if people chase Han, fringer unloads, and if they come after Fringer, I have him with ion projector to block. But Im leaning toward Miranda at the moment for my next partner to try.

Navigator and Rey work well, I see the field move, then can navigate to range 1 and TL, bring down focus and get 4 dice attack with ease, or navigate to purposely bump, then fire at another target so I only get 1 shot back in return.

I really like the Navigator choice. I agree, there can be other more effective partners with Han. None fit my particular style, except Poe really which is why I went that direction.

3 hours ago, NoShieldsAllGuts said:

"We" have - the Germans already were experimenting with PS11 Han/Nym.

Lists links? Curious to the Germans use of him. Also would be great if Listjuggler had how the matchups went too, if there is a listjuggler entry though of course.

What would you use instead of Rey if you don't have her?

Gunner is the classic.

3 hours ago, Scopes said:

Your Fringer/Han list...how do you fit anything in? The Fringer alone is at least 38 if you don't equip the title.

Neat list, though. I love flying OT ships like the Falcon.

I dont use the title, just HLC. Been messing around with the left over points

Han Solo (46) w/ Veteran Instincts (1) , Cruise Missiles (3) , Navigator (3) , Rey (2) , Engine Upgrade (4)

Wild Space Fringer (30) w/ Heavy Laser Cannon (7) , Intelligence Agent (1) , Black Market Slicer Tools (1) , Smuggling Compartment (0) , Ion Projector (2)

Total: 100

This was my latest try. I played with cruise missile Han, cuz I can set the 1 and nav to the 4 straight and cruise missile off. Got me in trouble more than helped. So I will probably drop it and do Chewie crew on Fringer or else Recon Spec. I have ion projector for regen ships like Poe, and BMST for kturn, tallon rolling, self stressing PTL ships. Still a work in progress. Will probably give Norra a try next and then Miranda.

Could go Mangler and Title as well, but HLC draws fear and I like that.

9 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

It amazes me that we haven't seen PS11 Han in the meta. He was the counter for X-Wings first "cancer" and now with Nym he seems like the obvious choice.

So you want to answer the dengarNym cancer with hanNym cancer?

22 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

So you want to answer the dengarNym cancer with hanNym cancer?

Nothing to fight fire like good ol' fire! ;P

26 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

So you want to answer the dengarNym cancer with hanNym cancer?

Did I suggest Nym? My post actually suggests different partners. Nym can fit next to Han. Very light Nym though.

I think you just misunderstood the text and didn't read the rest of the post.

Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Rey (2)
C-3PO (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Captain Nym (Rebel) (30)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
"Genius" (0)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Havoc (0)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Sensors or Corrector is a matter of debate. Rebel Nym usually likes Sensors better.

54 minutes ago, NoShieldsAllGuts said:

Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Rey (2)
C-3PO (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Captain Nym (Rebel) (30)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
"Genius" (0)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Havoc (0)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Sensors or Corrector is a matter of debate. Rebel Nym usually likes Sensors better.

Autoblaster is tough to work with on Rebel Nym where you usually want to kite. Almost would have to take Engine off to upgrade him to TLT. Only spot I see that can maybe trim to make TLT fit.

Right, I think that's what held this particular version back. Subbing in a Kyle Katarn Norra with Engine might be good, or take Vectored for a 2 point bid vs Dash lists, or throw those 2 points into Han...

16 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Black One helps a ton versus Alpha Strikes since it also works on yourself. Drop the TL they tried to just get on you.

Agreed. What I meant was, most alpha strike lists I see have the missile carriers at PS9+, so whilst black one is good insurance - and, as I said, what else are you spending the points on - it doesn't help you shed locks from Quickdraw before she can fire cruise missiles, for example, since the lock comes after you activate.

I've played this version of Miranda with Rey, but as much as I love her, Rey has a hard time surviving right now. Maybe her with Han will work?

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Sabine Wren (2)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Long-Range Scanners (0)

Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
C-3PO (3)
Gunner (5)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Comm Relay is completely unnecessary on BB8 Intensity Poe, you're WAY better off with Primed Thrusters and using the points you saved to go up to PS9 where you beat Miranda.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Comm Relay is completely unnecessary on BB8 Intensity Poe, you're WAY better off with Primed Thrusters and using the points you saved to go up to PS9 where you beat Miranda.

Not really, Comm Relay was gold for me all weekend. All 4 Poe lists there also had Comm Relay, 3 had BB-8. The ability to keep the evade and double up Focus' or get a target lock or boost into Range 1 and get a Focus and still have an Evade is worth it.

I agree with Comms relay. It should give Poe the extra durability that he loses out on by using BB instead of R2-D2. One question: has the lack of offensive mods on Han been a problem? VI means that he has very little damage output, right?