Friends of Old - Mission rule question (spoilers)

By IrasciblePotato, in Imperial Assault Campaign

The mission briefing states that "A hero can interact with a mission token (Insight) to reveal that token and replace it with a Rebel Trooper figure."

My question is: What happens if a hero successfully interacts with the token whilst there is a figure standing in the same space as the token?

"Replace" isn't a keyword referenced by the RRG, and under "Place" the only relevant point is this: "A player cannot choose to place a figure in a space where it cannot end its movement, such as in a space containing another figure, blocking terrain, or impassable terrain."

Obviously one of the figures must be placed in a different spot, but which figure; the newly revealed trooper, or the figure already occupying the token space? And who decides which space it goes to?

My interpretation, based off of the "Deployment" and "Push" sections of the RRG (even though neither keyword is directly referenced by that mission rule) is that the Rebel Trooper figure would be placed in the nearest possible space, rebel players choice. Thoughts?

Sorry if there is an obvious answer I've overlooked, or if this has been brought up anywhere before. Couldn't find any definite info on it, even though it doesn't seem like it would be that uncommon a situation during this mission.

Thanks for any input you have.

Edited by IrasciblePotato
On 9/17/2017 at 9:57 AM, IrasciblePotato said:

My interpretation, based off of the "Deployment" and "Push" sections of the RRG (even though neither keyword is directly referenced by that mission rule) is that the Rebel Trooper figure would be placed in the nearest possible space, rebel players choice. Thoughts?

This should be correct, but normally it would be the Imperial Player that would decide (because it's a deployment, not a push). The way it's written (I'm assuming what you have quoted at the top is verbatim) I think you have it right and it would be the Rebels. It's written as though the Rebels are revealing and replacing.

Brace For Impact (Rebel Trooper ally pack) is a good example to make note of here. Mission rules originally just stated that neutral tokes representing Rebel Troopers were deployed between rounds to a particular section of the map (inaccessible but could be fired into). Under the rules as written it was ruled that the Imperial Player deployed them which allowed them to be placed in a spot to that would make them easy targets. It has since been changed in the FAQ (Ally and Villians Packs, Errata. Pg 8) to state that the Rebels deploy the tokens now.

Edited by Uninvited Guest

RAW: You would not normally be able to place a figure in a space with another figure, and that part of the effect would be ignored.

This being a mission rule though, the player would place the figure to the closest valid space.

Edited by a1bert
1 hour ago, a1bert said:

This being a mission rule though, the imperial player would place the figure to the closest valid space.

This is what I was originally was going to post, but re-reading the mission rule as stated in the original post it says that the Hero interacts to reveal and replace. The inference I make from that is that the interacting Rebel makes the deployment. Truth be told, I could see it being argued either way because it doesn't expressly say that the Hero is deploying the Rebel Trooper.

@IrasciblePotato, defer to a1bert over me. He's among the best at interpreting the rules, and it's better not to assume or add a rule that's not expressly stated especially another interpretation is valid.

Did you have that quote in your browser window for an hour, so you can catch me making an error? :D (I reread the mission rule - it is not a mid-mission deployment which would be made by the imperial player. The hero is performing it.)

1 hour ago, a1bert said:

Did you have that quote in your browser window for an hour, so you can catch me making an error? :D (I reread the mission rule - it is not a mid-mission deployment which would be made by the imperial player. The hero is performing it.)

Funny enough, it probably was sitting there for a while. I was posting while I was at work and I got called away to do something productive :D.

But in general, if I disagree with you on rules I just assume I'm wrong, lol.

2 hours ago, a1bert said:

(I reread the mission rule - it is not a mid-mission deployment which would be made by the imperial player. The hero is performing it.)

Thanks guys, that makes the most sense to me. I agree that as it's the rebel interacting and initiating the rule, it would be up to them to place.

Usually the RRG and the keywords they use make these issues a bit easier to decipher, but the rule doesn't use any keyword you can reference really. My thinking on it is that it is a deployment (by the rebels; in the same manner as rebels deploy at the entrance each match) but that they didn't want to use the word "deploy" because that states that all figures corresponding to the deployment card are deployed, which they obviously don't want in this mission. If it were me, I'd state it as "deploy 1 figure/token," that would infer rules of placement from the deploy keyword whilst restricting how many tokens are deployed.

I think that settles it as much as it can, thanks heaps for your input.

I've lurked here for a little bit (first post) and I've noticed that both of you are pretty helpful in sorting these things :) and here it looks like teamwork made the dreamwork ;)