6 hours ago, cheapmate said:

This has to be a mistake, right? The designers cannot have nerfed their own deck before the Revised Core is even released?

TL;DR if you’re even thinking about applying the MWL to the Core Set default decks you’re doing it wrong.

The purpose of the default list in the Core Set is only to teach the game to new players. Any consideration outside of that function is irrelevant, and once you even know what the pips in the lower right corner are for, from that moment on the default deck lists no longer have any use.

There is is no contradiction between cards being foundational in a Core Set but in the context of a broader metagame, the entire card pool, enabling too much liquidity and needing to be made mutually exclusive. Those are two entirely different environments and it’s a mistake to judge them by the same metric.

Back in the day, Parasite was fine in a Core Set list that needed Datasucker support, but in the context of an entire card pool, it had the effect of limiting ice choices and impacting deckbuilding decisions as to how much one could invest in ice.

Also, I noticed they are not starter decks as such, just what cards come into the box.

Especially as Chaos Theory has a minimum deck size of 40 it is easy to construct a tournament legal deck with only a single core.

Still, having those two cards from the MWL in the new core remains an odd choice.

27 minutes ago, cheapmate said:

[...] Especially as Chaos Theory has a minimum deck size of 40 it is easy to construct a tournament legal deck with only a single core. [...]

True, I did not realise at first, but in any case MOpus is a must with ChaosTheory (and Core2.0 card pool´) and Aesop is very good too... probably would left outside other cards (¿Armitage? ¿Dyson MemChip?)

On 9/16/2017 at 3:49 PM, Grimwalker said:

I would say there's no reason to expect that right now.

1. Fixing issues in the Core Set that are far and away more problematic for new players is a much more pressing concern.

2. Spin and Genesis cycle were never designed to rotate, so there were some staple cards that ought to stick around.

I think the Revised Core Set was an elegant solution to use each problem to solve the other. I expect things will be stable otherwise for quite some time.

Well there can always be a second edition with a rotation cycle designed from the start, but hindsight is always 20/20. I don't think there will be a 2nd edition with in the next two rotations, but after Red Sands rotates out that might be more of a

On 9/17/2017 at 0:10 AM, Mep said:

They can always make new deluxe that features old cards once a couple more cycles rotate out.

Well that is the thing. Core set 2.0 proves than any set can be subject to rotation. As of now the 4 deluxe sets are not scheduled to rotate out but there is nothing that says FFG won't change their mind. Heck they could even give it the Game of Thrones treatment and make 2nd ed, but again that is far from now. In the mean time the only changes we could expect is another set like terminal directive after this new cycle and lunar and san-san to be next on the chopping block.

12 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Well there can always be a second edition with a rotation cycle designed from the start, but hindsight is always 20/20. I don't think there will be a 2nd edition with in the next two rotations, but after Red Sands rotates out that might be more of a

Again, there is no reason to anticipate that. All cycles from Mumbad onward have been designed with rotation in mind, and now the Revised Core Set brings the overall game into line with that future state. COULD they reboot the game entirely? Sure, they could do anything they want. They could cancel all their games and throw everything into an Ameritrash version of Connect Four. But they've put a lot of effort into stabilizing the game for the long term and the factors that necessitated rebooting Game of Thrones LCG (obsolete rules design, an unrotatable card pool) are entirely absent here.

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Well that is the thing. Core set 2.0 proves than any set can be subject to rotation. As of now the 4 deluxe sets are not scheduled to rotate out but there is nothing that says FFG won't change their mind.

I think it's better to talk about versions in relation to the big boxes. "Rotation" entails a cycle, a schedule. The core set has been replaced by a new version . They might replace the Deluxes with updated versions but each such decision would be on an independent, as-needed basis. But like I said above, the factors which prompted them to update the core set with a new version (imperfect new-player experience, loss of Genesis/Spin cards not designed to rotate, elimination of meta-distorting core cards) aren't really present or are much reduced. C&C has some restriction-worthy cards, a lot of useless junk and H&P/O&C are kind of underperformers too, but does that justify the disruption of new versions? I doubt it. Especially without a ready source of replacement cards, unless you're going to plunder Lunar cycle for more evergreen-intended cards, but that seems like a stretch.

Just now, Grimwalker said:

Again, there is no reason to anticipate that. All cycles from Mumbad onward have been designed with rotation in mind, and now the Revised Core Set brings the overall game into line with that future state. COULD they reboot the game entirely? Sure, they could do anything they want. They could cancel all their games and throw everything into an Ameritrash version of Connect Four. But they've put a lot of effort into stabilizing the game for the long term and the factors that necessitated rebooting Game of Thrones LCG (obsolete rules design, an unrotatable card pool) are entirely absent here.

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Don't get me wrong, I am not anticipating 2nd edition in any way. That is just an example of how extreme the changes to the game could be if FFG decides it is necessary. I don't think a 2nd edition will be this year or even 2 years from now. But if after 2 years from now such an announcement is made I wouldn't be anymore surprised. As you highlighted I am only saying what could happen in the future but that is always way open to both extremes of the spectrum.

I'd be very surprised. They rebooted AGOT because rotation would have driven a stake through its heart. The whole point of the decision, three years ago, to adopt rotation is to make it so they don't have to reboot any more of their LCGs to a second edition.

Some guy said something in BGG:

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/27901337#27901337

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(...)Deluxe boxes are not a part of rotation, but as I tried to explain, not being part of rotation simply means that there is no specific shelf life for them, not that y they would never be replaced.

There was no plan to do it while I was with the company, whether Michael had decided otherwise in the last year is anyone's guess. If they do they may choose to bring back more rotated or rotating cards or to create an entire new deluxe.(...)

...and there goes " Null Hypothesis " down the sink...

18 minutes ago, Aingeru said:

Some guy said something in BGG:

https://boardgamegeek.com/article/27901337#27901337

...and there goes " Null Hypothesis " down the sink...

This doesn't disprove the null hypothesis at all. All Damon says for sure is that there weren't any plans to replace deluxes while he was with FFG. He doesn't say anything about current plans (he probably doesn't know).

I prefer the "FFG Doesn't Really Know What They Are Doing" hypothesis. Lots of data to back it up. No one knows, including FFG, what will happen in the future.

On 11/01/2018 at 10:15 PM, Mep said:

I prefer the "FFG Doesn't Really Know What They Are Doing" hypothesis. Lots of data to back it up. No one knows, including FFG, what will happen in the future.

It seems "Some one in FFG knows what will happen in the future"