I'm looking to fly Kylo/Omega/Quickdraw once the Silencer comes out. Any suggestions? I'm looking at Quickdraw with Expertise, LWF, Title, FCS, and Sensor Cluster, Omega with Juke/Comm Relay, and Kylo with AT, Advanced Sensors, PTL, and the new Comm-relay-but-focus-thing. I haven't checked out the points, but I think it might work. Also willing to change Quickdraw to another ship but it must stay First Order.

I would replace Quickdraw's sensor cluster with a pattern analyzer. With the evade dice the odds of not rolling a focus at least once is pretty slim

Assuming that the new tech is 3 points (I personally think it will be 2, but decided to go with worse case senecio), those builds come out to be 111 points. While some slimming is necessary, I do think the pilots are the right choice. Slotting in Backdraft instead of QuickDraw might workout, but QD is really good.

There will be slimming. If we go down to Backdraft, then that gets it down to 109. Time to go on a points diet. I think the change from Sensor Cluster to Pattern Analyzer is the right move, and we can drop Kylo's tech to reach 107. What else to kill?

Backdraft's crit seems to work with Kylo better, but I think Quickdraw is a better overall pilot. You'll need to slim down both Quickdraw and Kylo to make it fit 100 points. 4 of that is easily done by dropping Expertise to A Score To Settle. Sensor Cluster makes another 2 point card that you probably don't really need. Slimming the rest off of Kylo might make it tough to get the PTL/AS version, but maybe I'm wrong.

Instead of Omega Leader, why not use Omega Ace? With that Advanced Optics, or whatever it's called, you can hold onto a focus token and just Target Lock to use his ability. With Backdraft's rear crit, you have more ways to crit.

I personally feel like Backdraft is the better choice because of Kylo synergy and the lower cost. Drop sensor cluster and change expertise to VI and BAM! 100 pts. I think.

It's the only thing I can think of to keep Kylo PTL/AS. Otherwise, Kylo's build has to change completely.

It would probably end up as VI Test Pilot Blackout. Considering that the ability looks like Trick Shot but better, I'm not too enthused about him. Except for the name.

Zeta Leader with Wired can be a fun alternative to Omega Leader if you're looking for points savings.

It's possible. That would give me some points for tech and the Kylo title, but I'm not sure how much those are worth in comparison to the awesome power of Omega Leader.

If I did make that change, Backdraft would become Quickdraw and Kylo would get the title to save me from my terrible green dice.

This is what I've got so far, using Comm Relay for it's focus counter part.

(99)

•Kylo Ren (46) - TIE Silencer
Push The Limit (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Comm Relay (3), Autothrusters (2)

•"Backdraft" (32) - TIE/SF Fighter
Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Special Ops Training (0), Lightweight Frame (2)

•"Omega Leader" (21) - TIE/FO Fighter
•A Score To Settle (0)

If my theory of the new tech being less than 3 is correct, the Vanguard title will fit as well.

For the FO, replacing OL with @Sasajak 's suggestion of Wired Zeta Leader is a solid option. OL with A Score To Settle has some interesting possibilities, especially with Kylo, but plenty of draw backs too.

6 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

This is what I've got so far, using Comm Relay for it's focus counter part.

(99)

•Kylo Ren (46) - TIE Silencer
Push The Limit (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Comm Relay (3), Autothrusters (2)

•"Backdraft" (32) - TIE/SF Fighter
Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Special Ops Training (0), Lightweight Frame (2)

•"Omega Leader" (21) - TIE/FO Fighter
•A Score To Settle (0)

If my theory of the new tech being less than 3 is correct, the Vanguard title will fit as well.

For the FO, replacing OL with @Sasajak 's suggestion of Wired Zeta Leader is a solid option. OL with A Score To Settle has some interesting possibilities, especially with Kylo, but plenty of draw backs too.

I think Kylo will get more use out of Primed Thrusters than the focus-only Comm Relay. Being able to use Advanced Sensors to arc dodge even while stressed is really good, and it's only one point. The cost difference can buy Juke for your OL, or upgrade Backdraft to Quickdraw.

Here's my final idea:

First Order's Finest

99Pts

Kylo Ren (46) - TIE Silencer
Push The Limit (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Autothrusters (2), First Order Vanguard (2)

•"Backdraft" (32) - TIE/SF Fighter
Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Special Ops Training (0), Lightweight Frame (2)

•"Zeta Leader" (21) - TIE/FO Fighter
•Wired (1)

Just a minor change since I don't own A Score to Settle. I also don't think that any of the tech is super necessary, so I swapped it for the Title.

Actually, I mathed bad, so Kylo is one point less than stated above, so add Primed Thrusters and keep the one point bid.

Just now, PhantomFO said:

I think Kylo will get more use out of Primed Thrusters than the focus-only Comm Relay. Being able to use Advanced Sensors to arc dodge even while stressed is really good, and it's only one point. The cost difference can buy Juke for your OL, or upgrade Backdraft to Quickdraw.

Good thoughts. I wanted to try to keep Kylo like the OP stated for this first draft, but there are definitely options for slimming down Kylo that should be worthwhile.

First Order's Finest

99Pts

Kylo Ren (46) - TIE Silencer
Push The Limit (3), Advanced Sensors (3), Autothrusters (2), First Order Vanguard (2), Primed Thrusters (1)

•"Backdraft" (32) - TIE/SF Fighter
Veteran Instincts (1), Fire Control System (2), Special Ops Training (0), Lightweight Frame (2)

•"Zeta Leader" (21) - TIE/FO Fighter
•Wired (1)

I'm happy with this.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

Good thoughts. I wanted to try to keep Kylo like the OP stated for this first draft, but there are definitely options for slimming down Kylo that should be worthwhile.

I'll also confess that I'm not sold on the idea behind the focus-only Comm Relay. Due to their offensive and defensive value, focus tokens tend to be easier to spend. Part of the value for Comm Relay is its synergy with Juke, but there's no similar synergies with a permanent focus token. It lets you hold onto the focus on those turns where you didn't roll any eyeballs, but those scenarios don't happen to me frequently enough to justify this card.

Well, PTL Poe might like it, but there are very few other scenarios.

1 hour ago, PhantomFO said:

I'll also confess that I'm not sold on the idea behind the focus-only Comm Relay. Due to their offensive and defensive value, focus tokens tend to be easier to spend. Part of the value for Comm Relay is its synergy with Juke, but there's no similar synergies with a permanent focus token. It lets you hold onto the focus on those turns where you didn't roll any eyeballs, but those scenarios don't happen to me frequently enough to justify this card.

For Imperials, I think the best use of Advanced Optics will be with Omega Ace. It lets you bank the Focus in advance, and then acquire the Target Lock (the tough part of his combo) on the target you'll actually have a shot on that turn. It means you're more likely to have his crit-shot for the first engagement, and lets him take crit-shots of opportunity more easily once in the scrum. I'm really hoping it's only 2 points, as that makes Omega Ace into a cheap self-contained threat. Builds I want to try:

Omega Ace + Advanced Optics, Trick Shot (22) - cheap way to threaten bigger shots

Omega Ace + Advanced Optics, Push the Limit (25) - allows for repositioning or evading on your damage turns, and lets you reload fast

Omega Ace + Advanced Optics, Opportunist (26) - for the TIE swarm with a few blockers or Carnor Jax

2 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I'll also confess that I'm not sold on the idea behind the focus-only Comm Relay. Due to their offensive and defensive value, focus tokens tend to be easier to spend. Part of the value for Comm Relay is its synergy with Juke, but there's no similar synergies with a permanent focus token. It lets you hold onto the focus on those turns where you didn't roll any eyeballs, but those scenarios don't happen to me frequently enough to justify this card.

I don't think it is as good as Comms, but it has its uses. The idea of slotting a focus for later use does have value. "Charge" the Optics first round, then when first engagement happens, Kylo could reposition and target lock while already ready with the focus. @FirstOrderProblems 's Omega Ace combo is definitely one of the more intriguing possibilities. I also agree with the hope it is 2 pts. 3 is too much. 1 would make it awesome, but I'm expecting 2.

I don't expect it to be meta shifting, but the optics will have some interesting uses here and there, so long as it is properly priced.

18 hours ago, Npmartian said:

Well, PTL Poe might like it, but there are very few other scenarios.

PTL Poe is much more expensive than intensity Poe and brings little gain. Actually I would say even on Equal points he would be worse off, as prime thrusters are really awesome on intensity ships, and if your tech slot is gone you can have any of that mobility magic.

Now speaking of intensity ... there might be some synergy with pilots other than Poe.

On 9/16/2017 at 11:06 AM, Stealthcmc1974 said:

Instead of Omega Leader, why not use Omega Ace? With that Advanced Optics, or whatever it's called, you can hold onto a focus token and just Target Lock to use his ability. With Backdraft's rear crit, you have more ways to crit.

The problem with Omega Ace that it's still only two hits and he's always using is action for the offensive combo past the first round, so he'll die fast. Wired Zeta Leader hits harder and defends better.

Omega Ace ptland advanced optics gives you full mods plus evade when you need it

But as Npmartian pointed out, it's only two crits outside range 1. 2 damage ain't **** to green dice

Zeta L all the way