1 hour ago, lyinggod said:

In America, we have a term for this. Its called Socialism. Stealing in the name of Socialism is OK went this term is used to justify one's actions. This not a correct definition of Socialism but simply a redefining of the term (unfortunately).

This is me venting, please don't let this comment get traction.

When taking someone's private property from them has been legalised, it's not theft, technically, it's expropriation.

11 minutes ago, Grimmerling said:

When taking someone's private property from them has been legalised, it's not theft, technically, it's expropriation.

In my country the Antifa is paid by the government, so violating property is kind of legalized here (remember G20 summit?)

But it's true, if a niche industry like Roleplaying is to produce more products, they should be supported. I am too lazy for homebrewing whole systems.

51 minutes ago, Grimmerling said:

When taking someone's private property from them has been legalized, it's not theft, technically, it's expropriation.

Please lets not get into this. There are all kinds of reasons to justify why something that is inherently wrong can be justified as right. Changing or providing a (proper) legal definition doesn't suddenly make theft moral or ethical just like claiming lack of official FFG SW PDFs makes fan scans moral/ethical/legal.

This conversation can really go off the rails in terms of being relevant to the thread topic or in civility.

Lets just drop it.

3 minutes ago, lyinggod said:

Lets just drop it.

Then don't mention it. We already have a broad agreement that theft of rpg content is leading to the dark side of the force.

30 minutes ago, lyinggod said:

Please lets not get into this. There are all kinds of reasons to justify why something that is inherently wrong can be justified as right. Changing or providing a (proper) legal definition doesn't suddenly make theft moral or ethical just like claiming lack of official FFG SW PDFs makes fan scans moral/ethical/legal.

This conversation can really go off the rails in terms of being relevant to the thread topic or civilly.

Lets just drop it.

When has having online political discourse ever become uncivil? *mic drop*

Bump

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3 hours ago, Dragonshadow said:

A large number of posts back, I mentioned that every time I see there's been an update to this thread, I hold my breath and open it in the hope that there will be actual news about the release of Genesys. Any chance we can steer the focus of the conversation back to the main topic?

Any chance someone from FFG is lurking on the forums and can give some sort of update? Q4? Q1?

I know from some kickstarters how difficult exact dates can be but can we get an estimate +/- 30 days?

Anything please? Before we devolve into talking politics!!

34 minutes ago, dlw32 said:

Any chance someone from FFG is lurking on the forums and can give some sort of update? Q4? Q1?

I know from some kickstarters how difficult exact dates can be but can we get an estimate +/- 30 days?

Anything please? Before we devolve into talking politics!!

I cast my vote for an alternate topic be the trailer for Episode 8, because that’s a safe subject that won’t devolve into bickering.

If people want updates on the release date go to the home page and the 'upcoming' link. FFG is going to post it there because when someone types 'FFG upcoming products' into Google this is what they get https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/upcoming/ They aren't going to come to the forums and post it.

35 minutes ago, 2P51 said:

They aren't going to come to the forums and post it.

They hide in their ivory towers high on mountain tops!

Seems their politics is not to meddle with mortals in their forums. Some companies do, some don't

7 hours ago, lyinggod said:

Its not random people who show up to play once but the occasional person looking for a new group. We don't ask for proof but simply (diplomatically) express our stance on the subject. This was actually mentioned in a previous post to the one you quoted.

We are aware that a fair number of PDFs don't have embedded names and therefore we are not draconian about our position on legal PDFs. We present it more as an expectation and then drop the subject. Its not something that has become an issue after someone has joined our group and, no, we don't make them verify ownership via the purchase que on DriveThru or via embedded name.

This subject has gotten a lot more traction then I thought it would when all I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that my group discouraged piracy.

In America, we have a term for this. Its called Socialism. Stealing in the name of Socialism is OK went this term is used to justify one's actions. This not a correct definition of Socialism but simply a redefining of the term (unfortunately).
This is me venting, please don't let this comment get traction.

Yes but Americans fail, always and consistently, to define socialism properly so... I mean, Bernie Sanders literally said he wants the means of production to remain in private hands, but that he's a socialist.

Socialism is simply an economic model in which the means of production of a widget (a good or service) is in the hands of the state and people, not private hands. Given the happiest, most successful countries all socialise healthcare and education to much greater degrees than the US, without hindering wealth creation, you should not consider a dirty word that needs to be vented about.
Also, you're talking about nationalisation of private property, which happens under right wing governments like fascists too. It's not a uniquely left wing thing, though those cheeky buggers do like OPM.

To digress elegantly from politics, still no update on release dates, nor further articles (one about talents would be dearly needed).

6 minutes ago, Endersai said:

Yes but Americans fail, always and consistently, to define socialism properly so... I mean, Bernie Sanders literally said he wants the means of production to remain in private hands, but that he's a socialist.

Socialism is simply an economic model in which the means of production of a widget (a good or service) is in the hands of the state and people, not private hands. Given the happiest, most successful countries all socialise healthcare and education to much greater degrees than the US, without hindering wealth creation, you should not consider a dirty word that needs to be vented about.
Also, you're talking about nationalisation of private property, which happens under right wing governments like fascists too. It's not a uniquely left wing thing, though those cheeky buggers do like OPM.

As much as I would like to discuss this further (I agree completely with your opening statement), this subject really needs to be dropped.

13 minutes ago, Endersai said:

Yes but Americans fail, always and consistently, to define socialism properly so... I mean, Bernie Sanders literally said he wants the means of production to remain in private hands, but that he's a socialist.

Socialism is simply an economic model in which the means of production of a widget (a good or service) is in the hands of the state and people, not private hands. Given the happiest, most successful countries all socialise healthcare and education to much greater degrees than the US, without hindering wealth creation, you should not consider a dirty word that needs to be vented about.
Also, you're talking about nationalisation of private property, which happens under right wing governments like fascists too. It's not a uniquely left wing thing, though those cheeky buggers do like OPM.

It’s ignorant, as well as possibly insulting, to make such broad assumptions, both concerning Americans and which countries are successful and happy. You’re entitled to your opinions and I will respect that. We can all go around and around with all the ways we’re right and others are wrong, but it serves no purpose. We’re here to discuss RPGs and, hopefully, let such discussion brings us together in our interests. Just don’t ask for an inflammatory subject to be dropped while making inflammatory comments, that’s not good sport.

I just want the one article explaining how they're releasing Genesys as OGL giving everyone permission to oficially use their dice in commercial RPGs. The balance of the dice could have a slightly better balance, but really they are to dice pool systems like the d100 is to BRP.

6 minutes ago, Gallows said:

I just want the one article explaining how they're releasing Genesys as OGL giving everyone permission to oficially use their dice in commercial RPGs. The balance of the dice could have a slightly better balance, but really they are to dice pool systems like the d100 is to BRP.

Better balance? In what way(s)?

7 minutes ago, Alderaan Crumbs said:

Better balance? In what way(s)?

The ratio between threat and advantage is off, primarily because on the purple die they decided to keep the failure+threat and then add a threat instead of a failure to keep the balance of the same number of dice being close to 50%. Obviously at 1vs1 it's going to be must lower, but already at 2vs2 dice it's over 40% chance of success and at 3vs3 and above the balance is fine just around 50%. This does leave the issue with threat vs advantage balance. The second problem is that upgrading from a purple to a red die actually increases the chance of getting advantages slightly - caused by the distribution on the purple die of course. The blue die has been balanced the way it has I am sure to mitigate some of the issues, but a different distribution of symbols could have made a much more balanced set of dice

4 minutes ago, Gallows said:

The ratio between threat and advantage is off, primarily because on the purple die they decided to keep the failure+threat and then add a threat instead of a failure to keep the balance of the same number of dice being close to 50%. Obviously at 1vs1 it's going to be must lower, but already at 2vs2 dice it's over 40% chance of success and at 3vs3 and above the balance is fine just around 50%. This does leave the issue with threat vs advantage balance. The second problem is that upgrading from a purple to a red die actually increases the chance of getting advantages slightly - caused by the distribution on the purple die of course. The blue die has been balanced the way it has I am sure to mitigate some of the issues, but a different distribution of symbols could have made a much more balanced set of dice

Upon what evidence are you basing your analysis? I thought we'd only seen dubious renders of the dice, not the actual units. You seem to imply you know what's on the face of every die, and that it's different from the sets released for Star Wars when everything I've heard is that they're the same. Please share!

21 minutes ago, themensch said:

Upon what evidence are you basing your analysis? I thought we'd only seen dubious renders of the dice, not the actual units. You seem to imply you know what's on the face of every die, and that it's different from the sets released for Star Wars when everything I've heard is that they're the same. Please share!

Yeah sorry, I assume they're identical to the Star Wars dice But the evidence is just math

If you look at the SW dice you'll see there is 4/8 advantages on the green die and 5/8 threat on the purple die. The red die however has 6/12 sides with threat whereas the yellow has 6/12 advantage. It's not like the distribution does not work, but it could have been more balanced, especially considering some of the advantage costs of some effects. A bit simplified, but if you take into account all the sides, doubles etc. on all dice, there is a slight imbalance that I don't like. For opposed tests the system could have been close to perfectly balanced.

The green die has 4/8 success and the purple has 3/8 failure, which works (8/12 and 7/12 on the yellow/red dice, which is ok). Having 50/50 advantage/threat would be ok, as it's a different thing than success and failure. Generally advantage/threat can be balanced around zero symbols whereas success/failure must be balanced between zero and one to support balanced opposed rolls - and the dice do this as well as they can with the number of sides they have.

Just to compare the purple and the red dice.

Two purple dice have about 10% greater chance of producing threat than two red dice. The only situation where the red dice are ahead is producing four threat because of the 1/6 chance instead of the 1/8 chance, but the difference is about 1%, so it's not really worth mentioning. producing 1-3 threat is more likely on two purple compared to two red. The problem increases with greater number of dice.

12 minutes ago, Gallows said:

Yeah sorry, I assume they're identical to the Star Wars dice But the evidence is just math

Ahh thanks for clearing that up.

So back in the very very early days of the Edge beta, someone posted an exhaustive analysis of the dice, but I don't recall an imbalance being called out - you know how we gamers are, we'd be beating that drum all day! But you make an excellent point worthy of its own thread for discussion.

13 minutes ago, themensch said:

Ahh thanks for clearing that up.

So back in the very very early days of the Edge beta, someone posted an exhaustive analysis of the dice, but I don't recall an imbalance being called out - you know how we gamers are, we'd be beating that drum all day! But you make an excellent point worthy of its own thread for discussion.

There is not much to do about it, but it does mean if you use a defensive ability against an opponent with good offensive abilities, you increase his chances of critting you, although his chances of missing is increased slightly. The overall chance of hitting with enough advantage to crit is increased however. It is only worth it if you upgrade enough to add an extra negative die. Players just need to keep this in mind or they may very well ruin their own day by dodging into a critical

The same is true with opposed tests where characteristic/skill combinations like 4/1 (or 1/4) is better than 3/3.

On 10/31/2017 at 10:00 AM, DarthDude said:

I'm checking hourly but nah, no news on a release date yet. Googled for any bit of news on Genesys in generel, nah. Seems mentioning the miracle system is like speaking Voldemort aloud

THEORETICALLY we are in the timeframe that it should be tripping over from "Printing" to "On the Boat". It's been about a month.

Maybe in the next week we'll see the switch *crosses fingers*