24 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

What about Andorra?

Well, there are multiple views on that. Some might say that the right of national self-determination cannot be abrogated by a just constitution. In the final examination, I think 'Catalexit' is a mistake (even bigger than Brexit). But calling them nazis is WAAAY over the top, especially when it's the Spanish police (an arm of the government) handing out the beatings to prevent organized free speech and assembly.

I think he meant they have power and propaganda on their side like the Nazis did, not that they were Nazis.

But I agree about the first bit. Are you by any chance from Texas?

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

FTFY

4 hours ago, Sharego said:

Well, 3 nationals near, Spain, pequeño paisito a 200 millas nauticas de la costa de Barcelona and France weeeee

FTFY

26 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

What about Andorra?

Well, there are multiple views on that. Some might say that the right of national self-determination cannot be abrogated by a just constitution. In the final examination, I think 'Catalexit' is a mistake (even bigger than Brexit). But calling them nazis is WAAAY over the top, especially when it's the Spanish police (an arm of the government) handing out the beatings to prevent organized free speech and assembly.

"Some" say... fortunately most people doesn't say that. But do you mean that you should allow texans to vote their secesion? Or Alabama, Virigina, Carolina, and the rest to vote to form the CSA? Are Obama or Trump those who you call "some"?

No, of course they are not nazis, they don't have such status, are still learning... they behave like nazis, look this video on how they celebrate the "national" catalonian day with torches like the nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPZsmn-Lks

And this is only a very little example.

And about Spanish Police, they did their work, to enforce the laws as dictated by the Constitucional Court, in a very gently way ... the day after there were only 2 persons in hospital due to those "beatings"! And those persons looking for "free speech and assembly"( something they had, have and will because that's not what was forbidden) , see how a police was after stones were thrown at them:

But if you want to see real beating, look what the regional police did 5 years ago against the same groups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91g7C2295U

Most of the images shown the last days by independentist media is in fact from 2012 beating by regional police direceted by the local goverment.

18 minutes ago, Lannes said:

But do you mean that you should allow texans to vote their secesion? Or Alabama, Virigina, Carolina, and the rest to vote to form the CSA?

Of course. 'Tis their right as human beings to decide how they want to live.

19 minutes ago, Lannes said:

Most of the images shown the last days by independentist media is in fact from 2012 beating by regional police direceted by the local goverment.

Fascinating how propaganda works, no?

25 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Of course. 'Tis their right as human beings to decide how they want to live.

So you allow Texans, against the law, to vote that, but what if Dallas want to secede and Houston don't. Should Texas be divided between those teritories, as in those places their humans beings have " right to decide how they want to live" ... and what if those rich parts of Dallas want to seced but those poorer doesn't, shouldnt be divided too? Of course it's nonesense, and doesn't exists that thing you call "right as human beings to decide how they want to live" in the way you want to apply it. NOT EVERY THING can be voted, and of course, there are many matters that can be voted , but not only by part of a nation against the other part.

Come one imperial players! Let's vote that Rebels must start every game with a 200 points penalty!

FFG is suppressing our rights!

#MakeTheEmpireGreatAgain

#FFGEnsRoba

Why the **** this thread evolve into that?

I ended here.

19 minutes ago, Lannes said:

So you allow Texans, against the law, to vote that, but what if Dallas want to secede and Houston don't. Should Texas be divided between those teritories, as in those places their humans beings have " right to decide how they want to live" ... and what if those rich parts of Dallas want to seced but those poorer doesn't, shouldnt be divided too? Of course it's nonesense, and doesn't exists that thing you call "right as human beings to decide how they want to live" in the way you want to apply it. NOT EVERY THING can be voted, and of course, there are many matters that can be voted , but not only by part of a nation against the other part.

The concept of Nation States isnt everything you think it is. Its also beyond discussions for these forums.

20 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Of course. 'Tis their right as human beings to decide how they want to live.

Yeah, Im going to declare my flat as an independent coutry itself, because I hate taxes you know, who cares about laws anymore?

Could you please stop this?

I am still wainting for the spanish lists...?

50 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Yeah, Im going to declare my flat as an independent coutry itself, because I hate taxes you know, who cares about laws anymore?

That is not what I meant. You are an individual within a society. Learning to live within a society is different than forcing a separate society to remain within one at odds with them - every revolution in history has been people not wishing to live under the current system, desiring what they believed was better for the society as a whole. America's society was at odds with Britain's. The Souths at odds with the North. Greece at odds with Turkey. They seceded, and because the ruling power desired overall rule, a war ensued.

It isn't 'Ignore the law, I live as I will', but that the laws were made to help us live together in peace. If the laws do not aide us in that goal, they should be changed. If part of a nation believes that their needs (note the plural) are not being met by that nation, and that the majority of said nation does not agree to the changes, then I believe that it is better for them to leave rather than be forced to live in conditions not healthy for their society. Do you not pick a country to live in because the society/laws suit your needs? Can you not change your citizenship? If you are allowed to choose your country, why should not people as a group be allowed to choose, even if that entails the creation of a new one?

43 minutes ago, Chalaceador said:

Could you please stop this?

I am still wainting for the spanish lists...?

Sorry. Last post by me.

44 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

That is not what I meant. You are an individual within a society. Learning to live within a society is different than forcing a separate society to remain within one at odds with them - every revolution in history has been people not wishing to live under the current system, desiring what they believed was better for the society as a whole. America's society was at odds with Britain's. The Souths at odds with the North. Greece at odds with Turkey. They seceded, and because the ruling power desired overall rule, a war ensued.

It isn't 'Ignore the law, I live as I will', but that the laws were made to help us live together in peace. If the laws do not aide us in that goal, they should be changed. If part of a nation believes that their needs (note the plural) are not being met by that nation, and that the majority of said nation does not agree to the changes, then I believe that it is better for them to leave rather than be forced to live in conditions not healthy for their society. Do you not pick a country to live in because the society/laws suit your needs? Can you not change your citizenship? If you are allowed to choose your country, why should not people as a group be allowed to choose, even if that entails the creation of a new one?

See and this is why I support the Emperor.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

That is not what I meant. You are an individual within a society. Learning to live within a society is different than forcing a separate society to remain within one at odds with them - every revolution in history has been people not wishing to live under the current system, desiring what they believed was better for the society as a whole. America's society was at odds with Britain's. The Souths at odds with the North. Greece at odds with Turkey. They seceded, and because the ruling power desired overall rule, a war ensued.

Not even the same case.

Note that Catalonia was never a colony or a subjugated territory.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

If you are allowed to choose your country, why should not people as a group be allowed to choose, even if that entails the creation of a new one?

Cause they are choosing about my country ignoring my rights to vote about it too. The new state doesn't appear from nowhere. It is an existing piece of mine since its very beginning.

22 hours ago, Chalaceador said:

Could you please stop this?

I am still wainting for the spanish lists...?

I can give you a glimpse of what I faced, I ended 12 out of 23-24 cant remember.

Tabled the first one 10-1, he did not bring squadrons.

AvengerBT doped. Demolisher doped. Raider anti-squadron doped. 2 gozantis. Motti. Played my solar corona.

Second game I saved the 10-1 loss with a 7-4 loss killing another Beast avengerBT with a 50% roll of my VCX in turn 6. I mean, that avenger was 176 points. Similar list to the one above, no squadrons. ABT, demolisher, 2 external racks raiders, 1 gozanti. This player was more skilled though, and JJ gave him the game. Played my solar corona.

Third game 7-4 loss against MC30 torpedo foresight, xi7, apt's, oe, rbd... and 5 transports. Yeah... 5, one of them with bcc, bright hope and boosted comms. Then Luke, Biggs, 5 xwings, 1 hawk and shara bey. Mon mothma. Played my most wanted.

My list:

Rebels 399 Most wanted, fire lanes, solar corona.

-AFMKB
Ackbar
ECM
FCT

-AFMKB
GT
ECM

-CR90A
Jainas light
TRC

-Medium transport
Bright hope
Slicer tools

-Medium transports
Leia organa
Comms net


Jan ors
VCX-100 x2
YT-1300 x2
Gold Squadron

My big problem was on the solar corona, should have picked sensor net probably.