It's also not as great a place for a fix as you might think. Anyone who really wants a TIE Fighter buff or X-wing fix probably already has at least a half dozen TIEs and more X-wings than they can legally field. It's one of the reasons why numerous attempts at fixes have been made through astromech releases with other ships, like R3, Targeting Astro, etc. If that fix is going to get a proper distribution (ie, a targeted X-wing fix delivered with 4-5 copies of whatever it is), the best delivery is probably going to be a campaign pack. Anything that involves buying yet another X-wing is going to be... met with resistance...

2 hours ago, NakedDex said:

It's also not as great a place for a fix as you might think. Anyone who really wants a TIE Fighter buff or X-wing fix probably already has at least a half dozen TIEs and more X-wings than they can legally field. It's one of the reasons why numerous attempts at fixes have been made through astromech releases with other ships, like R3, Targeting Astro, etc. If that fix is going to get a proper distribution (ie, a targeted X-wing fix delivered with 4-5 copies of whatever it is), the best delivery is probably going to be a campaign pack. Anything that involves buying yet another X-wing is going to be... met with resistance...

I'm one of those with multiple X-Wings and Ties but I'd line up to buy multiple more if they were reprints with new pilots and a solid fix!!

Better sculpt and new paint job would get me to buy more x-wings.

On 9/14/2017 at 9:23 PM, DarthEnderX said:

Because I'm sick of buying **** I can't use to get things I want.

That's the entire X-Wing business model, lol.

The guy who won Worlds spent $230 and used 2 of the 9 ships he purchased.

Having to buy another Core set to get an improved ruleset would be peanuts.

43 minutes ago, drail14me said:

I'm one of those with multiple X-Wings and Ties but I'd line up to buy multiple more if they were reprints with new pilots and a solid fix!!

I have 10 TIE Fighters and 5 X-wings. I can't imagine ever wanting 4 more TIEs and 2 more X's just to make a fraction of what I have more useful. A campaign box would do the same thing without having to buy multiple more of the ships I already have in abundance.

Pick 4-6 small base ships in each faction. Give each of those ships 1-2 new pilots. Add in a few unique upgrades like unique astros or crew. Throw in a fix for the X, maybe through a title that has multiple copies included. Build an Armada style campaign into the box, and include a pair of new obstacles that are tournament legal. Sell for the same price as a core set.
The production costs on that are going to be less than an actual core set due to the lack of models. The box will be smaller and lighter, but the content would be much more engaging for existing players and new players alike. It's actually more profitable than a core, and the campaign being a "use once" system like the Armada one means you'll likely buy another down the line anyway. Literally everyone is happy, from hardcore tournament players, down to casual thematic players.

However, putting the fix for the two in the starter set, the starter set that new players are likely buying as their first purchase, means that their initial introduction to the game doesn't include a "by the way, your TIEs and X-Wing suck, you need to buy these other 2 kits to make them competitive..."

X-Wing wants to keep it's new players (I assume anyhow) and for many, this "pay for balance" business strategy is not a selling point.

Should the fix be in the starter? Yes.

Should the fix be in additional kits? Yes.

Should the fix be needed? No, they should have just made a balanced game in the first place...

EDIT: I have 0 hope that FFG will fix either or put the fix where it will benefit new players, as they seem to have taken off and are completely behind their crazy broken jumpmaster. If they wanted to fix/errata/balance the thing, they would have by now. And bombers....

I can absolutely get behind any fix card being added to existing cores.

I can also never see either that or a campaign inclusion happening.

I'm totally happy with them getting the old core set back on the shelf. I'd like a tournament legal damage deck in there. But I don't want to wait forever for my Ys

The only reason the OT core set needs to change is to replace the old damage deck with the new. Otherwise, it's fine as it is.

The truth is, the core set is not very well not balanced as is. If two new players are up against one another (i.e. they aren't going to be expertly blocking and range controlling and whatnot), Luke with R2-D2 will defeat an equivalent pair of TIEs pretty reliably, just because he has decent damage mitigation vs what is fairly anaemic offence. However, it's relatively close, dice and relative skill can definitely swing it, and even the unbalanced game is really fantastic fun. It was the gateway drug that got most of us into the game after all. But if you put an X Wing fix card in there - even integrated astromech, let alone something that brings T-65s up to parity with the current power curve - and that slight advantage is going to blow way out. Unless you put a TIE Fighter fix in there to bring it up to parity with the fixed X Wing... And at that point, why have either fix in the first place?

So are they reprinting the original core set with updated rules & damage deck?

I much prefer to get into the game with Luke & co rather than Poe etc

32 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

So are they reprinting the original core set with updated rules & damage deck?

I much prefer to get into the game with Luke & co rather than Poe etc

I fully expect the original core set to come out with the updated rule book and damage deck. I would be surprised if there were any other changes.

Given that Biggs, and to a lesser extent R2D2, have been relatively major problems for the game, and Luke is no where near the power level he needs to be to be iconic, I would like to see FFG get behind the concept of “most recent printing” (MRP). An MRP is a bit like the newer style errata with totally new pilot abilities. All versions of the card play as if they had the newest text.

That way the cards text gets updated without the need to actually buy the product, but there is a recent updated version for those people that can’t live without it.

They may as well add some good swarm abilities to the named TIEs while they are at it.

3 hours ago, ID X T said:

Given that Biggs, and to a lesser extent R2D2, have been relatively major problems for the game, and Luke is no where near the power level he needs to be to be iconic....

That's interesting (haven't got into the game yet) I was expecting Luke to be a go-to ace, especially over Biggs. Does Biggs even qualify as a special character? He hardly earned it in the movie! ?

I'm guess Vader is not consistently in use either?

7 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

That's interesting (haven't got into the game yet) I was expecting Luke to be a go-to ace, especially over Biggs. Does Biggs even qualify as a special character? He hardly earned it in the movie! ?

I'm guess Vader is not consistently in use either?

Vader is still in use quite a bit on the Imperial side. I usually run him when I play Imperial. His high pilot skill and ability make for a good ship to have. Luke not so much. He has a good ability but the X-Wing itself has fallen behind due to power creep in newer ships. The T-65 just can't hang with the latest waves released.

Biggs does get lots of use though because his ability pairs well some the ability of others and with some upgrade cards. Some see Biggs and a problem in the game but I don't.

33 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

That's interesting (haven't got into the game yet) I was expecting Luke to be a go-to ace, especially over Biggs. Does Biggs even qualify as a special character? He hardly earned it in the movie! ?

I'm guess Vader is not consistently in use either?

Biggs was removed from the movies so early that he had a lot more time than Luke to practice flying miniatures.

I used to think a Campaign Box would be a nice thing. But now I fear that if we get the campaign it will require one or more cards, upgrade and pilot. from every released expansion. So unless you have multiples of everything you wouldn't be able to play it.

Is it this day of the week already?

Original core set reprint status is currently "On the Boat", so it is pretty obvious they have no intention of making a different original trilogy core set.

15 minutes ago, Joe Censored said:

Original core set reprint status is currently "On the Boat", so it is pretty obvious they have no intention of making a different original trilogy core set.

Would the reprint be updated with newer rules, decks etc or a straight up reprint.

2 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

Would the reprint be updated with newer rules, decks etc or a straight up reprint.

My understanding is reprints get latest versions of cards (FAQ fixes). I don't know about rule books or if it will ship with TFA damage deck.