5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Definetely getting canceled.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Fox really doesn't like to give their shows a chance to build a fan base.

2 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Fox really doesn't like to give their shows a chance to build a fan base.

Fox wouldn't know what a fan base is if it got a movie made after the cancellation and beat them over the head with the DVD royalties.

2 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

Fox wouldn't know what a fan base is if it got a movie made after the cancellation and beat then over the head with the DVD royalties.

Yeah I always worry when Fox gets their hands on a shiny new show

I fear for it honestly. Haven't watched it yet. I will probably do so once the season is over, due to not wanting to get infuriated over mid season cancel that I fear will come.

Most of the people I've talked to have a pretty positive view of it. I read a bunch of reviews for the new Star Trek (haven't seen any of it myself) and a lot of them mentioned that the Orville was better. Let's just hope the idiots at Fox don't make a gorram mess of it.

i found it boring, the jokes where lame and i could care less about the captain's failed relationship

Discovery was terrible. It was unwatchable strictly from a film-making standpoint. Shaky cam, spinning cam, lots of fast edits, and worst of all lots of dutch angles. Bad lighting choices. Bad art design choices. Bad audio that seemed like the sound effects were chosen from a top ten list of Trek ringtones. The score was a mess. Just dreadful before the bad writing and bad Trek.

What era/quantum reality/timeline is this?

I enjoyed Michele Yeoh. Though I always like her.

Orville is more Trek than Discovery despite largely being "passable" thus far but it mostly just makes me miss "real" Trek with the Captain Hornblowers and Captain Aubreys of the future.

13 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Discovery was terrible. It was unwatchable strictly from a film-making standpoint. Shaky cam, spinning cam, lots of fast edits, and worst of all lots of dutch angles. Bad lighting choices. Bad art design choices. Bad audio that seemed like the sound effects were chosen from a top ten list of Trek ringtones. The score was a mess. Just dreadful before the bad writing and bad Trek.

What era/quantum reality/timeline is this?

I enjoyed Michele Yeoh. Though I always like her.

Orville is more Trek than Discovery despite largely being "passable" thus far but it mostly just makes me miss "real" Trek with the Captain Hornblowers and Captain Aubreys of the future.

So... Exactly like the JJ Abrams star treks? Because I love star trek, but **** I hate watching those. I hate that man's camera work.

1 hour ago, Noosh said:

So... Exactly like the JJ Abrams star treks? Because I love star trek, but **** I hate watching those. I hate that man's camera work.

It is a "little" better in that it is a bit less "Shot for TV" but for the most part it looks like JJ Trek from a technical standpoint. The dutch angles and the cuts they'd do to another dutch angle itself framing a subject from a weird angle made me sea sick. I had a headache by the end of it. It just screamed "try hard." Dreadful stuff.

Maybe it gets better in later episodes. You'd likely need to look at the directors to get an idea.

4 hours ago, Frimmel said:

It is a "little" better in that it is a bit less "Shot for TV" but for the most part it looks like JJ Trek from a technical standpoint. The dutch angles and the cuts they'd do to another dutch angle itself framing a subject from a weird angle made me sea sick. I had a headache by the end of it. It just screamed "try hard." Dreadful stuff.

Maybe it gets better in later episodes. You'd likely need to look at the directors to get an idea.

Meanwhile back on the Orville they have quite a few Star Trek alums directing.

Absolutely disagree about Discovery. Lifelong fan of Star Trek, Trekkie to the bone and I loved it. I think people are expecting way too much for two episodes which were solid for a franchise notorious for having terrible pilots and rocky first seasons. If this is the nadir of the series Discovery has the potential to be one of the best Trek series to date.

The Orville is fine and I like it as it is but compared to Discovery it feels sortve dated.

I will watch both and as I said I will enjoy both but right Orville is not in the same league as Discovery in my book.

That is the first positive review of discovery i have personally heard, but i always take negativity with a grain of salt.

It is far easier to be critical of something than come out and praise it openly.

That said, glad to hear it passes muster! What I really want more than anything is for the current popularity of Star Wars, Star Trek, and the new IPs like Orville to be super successful all in tandem. A new golden age of sci fi that my kids get to grow up in would be a dream. Kinda rekindle the feelings i had as a kid when I would do extra chores just to stay up to watch Next Generation cause it started after my bed time.

I really liked the latest episode of the Orville. I think so far each episode has improved on the last and I hope that trend continues. Looking forward to next week and always glad to see Charlize Theron.

10 hours ago, Forresto said:

Absolutely disagree about Discovery. Lifelong fan of Star Trek, Trekkie to the bone and I loved it. I think people are expecting way too much for two episodes which were solid for a franchise notorious for having terrible pilots and rocky first seasons. If this is the nadir of the series Discovery has the potential to be one of the best Trek series to date.

The Orville is fine and I like it as it is but compared to Discovery it feels sortve dated.

I will watch both and as I said I will enjoy both but right Orville is not in the same league as Discovery in my book.

I expect when I watch a film it neither give me a headache nor nausea.

You know what I left out of my already negative review? This is going to sound like a joke but the thing is full of lens flares.

*****spoiler*****

I also expect the first officer who is intended to be the main character not to mutiny over something as trite as that. I wouldn't follow that woman on a walk around the block after that non-sense. Expecting that the series isn't founded on a horse-pucky premise for the main character in the first place is in no way too high an expectation. MUTINY.

And it was patently obvious that she was disobeying orders and the rest of the crew just sort of shrugged their shoulders for the most part.

Horrible.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Forresto. I'm a forty year Trek fan and thought Discovery was all kinds of bad.

10 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

That is the first positive review of discovery i have personally heard, but i always take negativity with a grain of salt.

It is far easier to be critical of something than come out and praise it openly.

That said, glad to hear it passes muster! What I really want more than anything is for the current popularity of Star Wars, Star Trek, and the new IPs like Orville to be super successful all in tandem. A new golden age of sci fi that my kids get to grow up in would be a dream. Kinda rekindle the feelings i had as a kid when I would do extra chores just to stay up to watch Next Generation cause it started after my bed time.

Absolutely agree. I remember when we had the X-Files, Babylon 5, and Star Trek were all in full swing. Men in Black, Starship Troopers, and so many other great sci-fi films were coming out. We are living in the best time to be a nerd but if you were to listen to the internet we're in a hellscape.

As for Discovery, Its definitely not perfect but its good enough and like the Orville needs time to breathe and come into its own. We haven't seen the main cast yet or really the main ship so the rhythm and feel of the show hasn't been totally established. I can't say whether you'd like it, but I can easily say I really loved a lot about it and its a great return for Star Trek to the screen.

5 hours ago, Frimmel said:

I expect when I watch a film it neither give me a headache nor nausea.

You know what I left out of my already negative review? This is going to sound like a joke but the thing is full of lens flares.

*****spoiler*****

I also expect the first officer who is intended to be the main character not to mutiny over something as trite as that. I wouldn't follow that woman on a walk around the block after that non-sense. Expecting that the series isn't founded on a horse-pucky premise for the main character in the first place is in no way too high an expectation. MUTINY.

And it was patently obvious that she was disobeying orders and the rest of the crew just sort of shrugged their shoulders for the most part.

Horrible.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Forresto. I'm a forty year Trek fan and thought Discovery was all kinds of bad.

As trite as that? She was trying to prevent full scale war with a warrior species capable of being more then a match for Starfleet. Even the original crew mutinied several times in the movies and series to do the right thing. The amount of times protagonists have essentially done what Burnham has done is incredulously high. Thats fairly Trek. May I recommend half of the main characters of Voyager as evidence #1. Cough, Tom Paris, Cough cough.

As for the crew following along, they didnt really, there wasnt much of a chance for orders to be followed before the Captain returned to the bridge and Saru was rather resistant.

Tom Paris didn't commit mutiny. Which of the Voyager characters were drummed out of Starfleet for mutiny?

Spock never nerve-pinched Kirk while Kirk was in his right mind so Spock could take the course of action Spock wanted. Trek frequently addresses when and in what circumstances it is necessary to disobey an order or circumvent a superior. I do not feel that Discovery presented an adequate case that Michael was in the slightest bit justified with her actions. Her primary justification coming from an off screen conversation and knowledge only we as the audience have.

What in tarnation have we come to that in Star Trek NOT starting a fight is justification for mutiny?

I found the whole thing sloppy and lazy. They upended Klingons as we've known them but then they wanted to use what we knew of them as a crutch to prop up the situations they created. They want to play in the world of Star Trek and use the familiar to save themselves the trouble of world building yet toss that aside so they can yell "Gotcha" at their clever twist which they can only twist because they moved the goal posts. It is artistically unconscionable.

After watching 3.5 eps of The Orville, it seems to me this is what Discovery wishes it could recapture. Star Trek has always been about discovery and sticky moral quandries, and examining what humanity (or sentientism, I suppose) really is about and the highs and lows of it. Orville is slam dunking it.

Discovery seems okay (except for some super annoying forced plot moves where it breaks its own rules) but trying to make a sweeping war story in Star Trek tells me they are missing the point of Star Trek. If Discovery turns out to be the episodic, discovery-oriented stories, then cool, but the first two eps told me this wants to tell a war story, where other IPs are much better suited for it.

Other than the makeup (that will take some getting used to) I very much liked the Klingons in the pilot of Discovery. Their motivations are clear and sensible. The plan created by the antagonist is very realpolitik.

On the flip-side, I believe that a human raised by Vulcans would be able to rationalize the behavior that Michael displayed. The fact that her actions were terrible is the entire set-up for her character arc. You can't have redemption without a fall.

After watching 3 episodes of Discovery (finally introducing the series ship and crew) I'm willing to give it as much time to find its legs as a Star Trek series deserves.

I think the pilot was much better than "Encounter at Farpoint" or "Emissary", but not as good as "The Cage".

The Orville feels like vintage TNG. Which is a lot of fun.

I'm glad we have both shows on the air.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know what Greyson is talking about when she mentions the coffeeshop and the monkey in the latest episode of The Orville (trying to avoid spoilers, so it's vague)?

Thanks!

That is a Friends reference, a TV show from the 90s.

Ok I binged the Orville up to current. I love this show, reminds me of all I want from a star trek. Social commentary, exploration, moral delemmas, and humor.

Now I know it's not gonna get a second season.

1 minute ago, Noosh said:

Ok I binged the Orville up to current. I love this show, reminds me of all I want from a star trek. Social commentary, exploration, moral delemmas, and humor.

Now I know it's not gonna get a second season.

Of course not it is gorram FOX. On the plus side that means after cancellation we can look forward to it getting a shiny movie.

1 hour ago, Megatronrex said:

Of course not it is gorram FOX. On the plus side that means after cancellation we can look forward to it getting a shiny movie.

Your words only provide small comfort.

@Megatronrex have you seen discovery yet? Was talking to my boss at work and he said that it would be a decent SciFi if it didn't have the star trek name attached to it. Generally speaking he's on the money most of the time for tv shows. I was wondering if you had a take on it?

Just now, Noosh said:

@Megatronrex have you seen discovery yet? Was talking to my boss at work and he said that it would be a decent SciFi if it didn't have the star trek name attached to it. Generally speaking he's on the money most of the time for tv shows. I was wondering if you had a take on it?

No I have not. I've heard pretty much the same thing though. I'm tempted to check it out but am concerned that I'll be too critical of it because from what I hear it doesn't adhere to what I think of as Star Trek.