11 minutes ago, Thraug said:

Bleh! The only choice worse than JJ would have been Peter Jackson's spinny-cams, corny action, and endless dramatic music!

The new "Star Treks" are an insult to everything Gene Roddenberry established with Trek, and while the script for The Force Awakens wasn't horrible, albeit derivative, the directing was everything wrong with modern movies: overly-dramatic and far too much (ab)use of music (like 10x more than needed). Not happy!

I'm not a fan of JJ because of his abuse of cinematic time. Things just happen too fast. Seriously, just 15 seconds of Finn losing at that holo-chesss thing to Chewbacca and something about "it has been 2 days" would help. Without a grounding like that, it seems like all planets are a 15 minute hyperspace jump apart.

My other concerns with JJ are not unique to JJ. I just don't like super powerful, all knowing protagonists who don't make mistakes and possess skills they have no right to. That is all too common in modern movies.

I appreciated that Rey understood Imperial tech as she had been scavenging from an ISD for how long. Her being able to brawl was demonstrated. Her being a pilot didn't work as that is never established until she flies the Falcon better than an elite pilot should have been able to. That crap bugs me. I did appreciate her being a stubborn idiot though. She lacks experience outside of one settlement in Jakku to be a fount of knowledge.

13 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Prepare for lens flare and wrack focus.

Ha I was just gunna say this.

15 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Prepare for lens flare and wrack focus.

Lol

You reminded me Star Trek Honest Trailers

If we're being completely honest.

There was one thing about TFA that made no sense and drives me nuts every time I watch it....



Why doesn't it land when it shuts down?!

How does it do that if there's no engine running?

How do they keep them from floating off?

What is going on in this galaxy?!

1 hour ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I love the special editions. I love Lucas, jar Jar, the Gungans, the EU, teh Clone Wars and Rebels.

Can I haz my fanboy t-shirt please?

My money is on 50% more lense flares, the title will be "The Jedi have Returned."

Expect a supersize superweapon that can br destoryed by a small fighter.

Expect it to be a rehash RotJ

1 hour ago, PartyPotato said:

The saving grace of the ewoks was that they were real people! I mean so many migets, dwarfs, little people on camera at the same tim. I also grew up with Ewoks battle for Endor being one of my favorite movies. Gungans and Polynesian clone troopers wouldn't bother me if they were real people... too much CGI ruins the emersive experience.

Anyone know why Return of the JEdi went with Ewoks and not Wookiee? Seems like it'd be cheaper finding tall people.

I've heard he made the Ewoks since he thought they would be marketable and that he wanted to have a toy for his daughter. And I've also heard that they changed it because he wanted a native people beat the technologically superior group but since we see Chewie being space faring and assumably wookies as well it went a little bit against that vision so they switched Ewoks for Wookies.

5 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

If we're being completely honest.

There was one thing about TFA that made no sense and drives me nuts every time I watch it....



Why doesn't it land when it shuts down?!

How does it do that if there's no engine running?

How do they keep them from floating off?

What is going on in this galaxy?!

And this made perfect sense...

Same could be said for Luke's Landspeeder. Physics in Star Wars is different then Physics on Earth.

Just now, Thrindal said:

And this made perfect sense...

Same could be said for Luke's Landspeeder. Physics in Star Wars is different then Physics on Earth.

Okay, but it's not like they shut off the imperial class.... The engines are still running, power core still activated, anti gravs still working....

Rey's speeder is shut off, right? Like no noise from the engine... why would they leave the anti grav on?

Especially from a design perspective.... the owner would have to climb up the side... of a hovering vehicle just to get seated....

Luke's speeder did the same thing but it at least looked like he tried to prop it between 2 rocks when he got out... but yes, that used to bother me in the originals too!

Like, okay, snowspeeders land when they shut off... x-wings and when they shut off.... the falcon lands when it shuts off...

WTF is wrong with these speeders?!

10 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Why doesn't it land when it shuts down?!

None of the various airspeeders in the prior films landed either. While you are free to take issue with this, I don't think you can take issue with their being consistent with this aspect of the universe.

5 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

None of the various airspeeders in the prior films landed either. While you are free to take issue with this, I don't think you can take issue with their being consistent with this aspect of the universe.

Nah I mean it drives me nuts but "take issue" with? Nah.... Luke's drove me nuts too... and for the longest time I thought the speeder bikes from Jedi were parked on those little pedals because the toy version had little chicken legs in their place.



It's just something that makes no sense to me...

So the speeder bike that got blown up falls to the ground... even though they can float with nothing running...

lol

Why though?

1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Nah I mean it drives me nuts but "take issue" with? Nah.... Luke's drove me nuts too... and for the longest time I thought the speeder bikes from Jedi were parked on those little pedals because the toy version had little chicken legs in their place.



It's just something that makes no sense to me...

So the speeder bike that got blown up falls to the ground... even though they can float with nothing running...

lol

Why though?

Battery Operating is real quiet compared to engine running.

I mean, that's the entire point behind diesel submarines versus Nuclear submarines in the modern era.

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Battery Operating is real quiet compared to engine running.

Okay, sure, but for how long..... I mean... Anti grav isn't like leaving your lights on all night.... that sounds like something that would consume just an outrageous amount of power.... which, yeah SW universe it full of stuff like that, but like, do they just leave their speeders hovering in the garage? what if they float off when you're parked? What if the battery dies when your foot is under it?

Just now, Darth Sanguis said:

Okay, sure, but for how long..... I mean... Anti grav isn't like leaving your lights on all night.... that sounds like something that would consume just an outrageous amount of power.... which, yeah SW universe it full of stuff like that, but like, do they just leave their speeders hovering in the garage? what if they float off when you're parked? What if the battery dies when your foot is under it?

Do you want me to categorically answer these? Sure.

1) Outrageous amount of power. As if Hyperspace wouldn't. Battery power is clearly lightyears ahead of what we have. Essentially Handwaved in Universe.

2) Do they leave their speeders hovering in the garage? I don't know. I'd say no, but then, you probably have infrastructure to support it in such a position, where you can turn everything off and do a complete shutdown... Probably with stands for mainteance and such - basically, all the times we SEE speeders hovering, its not in a "Garage" style environment - they are temporarily parked. Often in the open. Cited examples: Luke's speeder, Speeder Bikes on Endor. Garage Not demonstrated in Universe either way, unless you want to count shutdown X-Wings on Hoth/Yavin. I can't reacall if you can see an Airspeeder under Maintenance in the background at Hoth - you might.

3) There seems to be some mechanism to stop them from laterally moving while "parked" - that's why you can jump on speeders on Endor, applying what would be a hefty force, and have them barely even shake, until you engage the main power supply (and start the whining). Even then, their lateral movement is seemingly governed under design, since they can only do these wide sweeping turns, rather than spin eratticly on the spot.... That's evidently part of the design. Handwaved in Universe.

4) Same thing that happens when Brakes Fail on a Car while your foot is ahead of a tire... These things happen, they're just rarities, since this technology is just common crap to everyone around... I mean, ****, people still burn themselves on hot coffee these days, despite being warned its hot... This stuff just ahppens and its not a big deal.

Makes plenty of sense, given the scope of what we actually know in the Star Wars Universe.

Also, we don't even know what most of those things use for fuel, or in the smaller speeder cases, if the even NEED fuel

4 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Do you want me to categorically answer these? Sure.

1) Outrageous amount of power. As if Hyperspace wouldn't. Battery power is clearly lightyears ahead of what we have. Essentially Handwaved in Universe.

2) Do they leave their speeders hovering in the garage? I don't know. I'd say no, but then, you probably have infrastructure to support it in such a position, where you can turn everything off and do a complete shutdown... Probably with stands for mainteance and such - basically, all the times we SEE speeders hovering, its not in a "Garage" style environment - they are temporarily parked. Often in the open. Cited examples: Luke's speeder, Speeder Bikes on Endor. Garage Not demonstrated in Universe either way, unless you want to count shutdown X-Wings on Hoth/Yavin. I can't reacall if you can see an Airspeeder under Maintenance in the background at Hoth - you might.

3) There seems to be some mechanism to stop them from laterally moving while "parked" - that's why you can jump on speeders on Endor, applying what would be a hefty force, and have them barely even shake, until you engage the main power supply (and start the whining). Even then, their lateral movement is seemingly governed under design, since they can only do these wide sweeping turns, rather than spin eratticly on the spot.... That's evidently part of the design. Handwaved in Universe.

4) Same thing that happens when Brakes Fail on a Car while your foot is ahead of a tire... These things happen, they're just rarities, since this technology is just common crap to everyone around... I mean, ****, people still burn themselves on hot coffee these days, despite being warned its hot... This stuff just ahppens and its not a big deal.

Makes plenty of sense, given the scope of what we actually know in the Star Wars Universe.

Dras, I always enjoy your replies. lol

I mean they did show Luke's V-35 on a platform of sorts in the garage....

I don't know, this one in particular just bugged the heck out of me. Maybe because the speeder isn't at waist level, so forcing the user to climb it seems like a massive design flaw.

Just now, Darth Sanguis said:

Dras, I always enjoy your replies. lol

I mean they did show Luke's V-35 on a platform of sorts in the garage....

I don't know, this one in particular just bugged the heck out of me. Maybe because the speeder isn't at waist level, so forcing the user to climb it seems like a massive design flaw.

Its also entirely possible that its such a piece of scavenged junk, that its ended up like that... New models might have had a sweet lowering system that makes mounting it easy, but with all the crap its been through, shes lucky it still gets from from A(T-AT) to B.

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Also, we don't even know what most of those things use for fuel, or in the smaller speeder cases, if the even NEED fuel

I was just thinking about this. The only time I remember anything being "Fueled" was on Yavin just before they went after the Death Star. Looked like aircraft refueling hoses anyway. I have never seen a Star Wars Landspeeder fueling station. Probably cold Fusion or something even more impossible in our world.

1 minute ago, Thrindal said:

I was just thinking about this. The only time I remember anything being "Fueled" was on Yavin just before they went after the Death Star. Looked like aircraft refueling hoses anyway. I have never seen a Star Wars Landspeeder fueling station. Probably cold Fusion or something even more impossible in our world.

That is what it seems to be for me... What we consider to be an "outrageous" outlay of power is a coulple of D-Cell batteries to them... But the things that are truly obnoxious in power requirements - tearing through hyperspace, powering weapons, perhaps even extensive life-support systems - all require some sort of fuel...

There's enough resemblence to our world to be familiar to us. that's the moviemaking magic of not having to have someone suspend their belief too far - make it familiar. But the details are certainly different, and occasionally elusively so.

I don't expect star wars to be some sort of simultation of an alternate universe... And, I mean, I guess most of my problem is I'm an inherent storyteller at heart, so I automatically fill in the gaps myself with appropriate headcanon that I believe makes sense.

Of cours,e it just makes me a bit of an arsehole when it comes to relaying that to people, and for that, I'm apologetic.

7 minutes ago, Thrindal said:

I was just thinking about this. The only time I remember anything being "Fueled" was on Yavin just before they went after the Death Star. Looked like aircraft refueling hoses anyway. I have never seen a Star Wars Landspeeder fueling station. Probably cold Fusion or something even more impossible in our world.

Maybe they were just filling the life support tanks?

2 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Maybe they were just filling the life support tanks?

Liquid O2 and N would necessitate fuelling in such a way. I mean, we do it differently these days, but we're also not techno-gods, all worried about secondary oxidization explosions.

28 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Yeah, I could get that, but how bad is it, really? I mean, I saw AOTC in theaters 5 times and I didn't even like 40% of the movie. I think many star wars fans are full of fluff when it comes to "not seeing" the new movies... I remember when the EU got wiped there were literal thousands of people swearing they wouldn't see TFA.... yet TFA still broke records?

Something don't add up there. lol

Anyways, I'm sure if TLJ is bad enough it'll be true, not for me though.

I think I'm a bigger Sci-Fi guy than straight up Star Wars junkie. That tends to keep me out of the really foam-at the mouth discussions some hardcore people can get into. At some point, I lose interest in things beyond what the movies and TV shows cover directly. I don't worry who Snoke is until the movies tell me who Snoke is, you know?

But honestly, maybe my disappointment in FA is just because the hype and expectations were so high. Maybe because the score wasn't nearly as thematic and vivid as the OT and even the prequels were. Maybe because it was a copy of A New Hope. A lot goes into enjoying a movie at any given time.

I was excited when JJ was put into Direct the new Star Trek films and well that put him in a coffin for me and I was skeptical about the force awakens and that was the nail in the coffin. I've almost given up all hope on the Star Wars sequels, but I will go see them with my fingers crossed.

2 hours ago, Forresto said:

Ive been predicting that since opening day of VII that wold be a twist to be revealed in the Last Jedi I think.

it's always seemed pretty obvious to me that they're doing the solo kids. not twins but close enough.

38 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Dras, I always enjoy your replies. lol

I mean they did show Luke's V-35 on a platform of sorts in the garage....

I don't know, this one in particular just bugged the heck out of me. Maybe because the speeder isn't at waist level, so forcing the user to climb it seems like a massive design flaw.

Depends on what species the speeder was originally designed for.

Who says it was built for a human?