And my enthusiasm for "The Last Jedi" and this new trilogy is eroded even further. At least we get one more season of "Rebels" which is starting to look like the last because of how incompetent it makes the folks who make the movies look.

I kind of figured Ron Howard would get Episode IX, part of his payoff for taking on the hot mess they'd made of the Han Solo movie.

36 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

What kind of logic is this?

That's like saying if you liked Gene Wilder's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" you are then obligated to like Johnny Depp's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Or if you liked the original Karate Kid you have to also like the Jackie Chan & Son of Smith remake.

I reject that a rehash and an original have to valued the same, as there is something to be said for primacy and historical context. It is also possible that the story-telling, acting, pacing, stage-setting, or general filmography can also widely vary between originals and rehashes. Sometimes, rehashes are better (e.g. Carpenter's "The Thing" vs the "The Thing from Another World," both of which drew from the same novella and pitted people at an arctic camp against the invading alien life-force).

if you want to split hairs about "remakes" vs "rehashes," then I simply point you to Michael Bay's "Ninja Turtles" movie or his "Transformers" franchise.

Oh bays movies?! Bays movies are obviously not rehashes, they are remakes with their own terrible story and plot. the other movies you listed are rehashes. And no you're not obligated to like them, but you can't tell me you hate them because of the plot when their the exact same. id you dislike them because of character performances, pacing, lighting effects, etc. or even the argument it's copying the plot from a previous movie I can understand. But you can't tell me you hate johnnys chocolate factory and love genes simply because of the story. Same goes for TFA and ANH.

The amount of hate in this thread for their choice of having JJ Abrams as director makes me ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan.

2 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

The amount of hate in this thread for their choice of having JJ Abrams as director makes me ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan.

Yeah. It could be much worse.

Tommy Wiseau...Anthony C. Ferrante...Harold P. Warren...George Lucas...

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

But how is it visible to planets besides the affected ones? Imagine a beam the diameter of the moon were to strike Mars. Would we even be able to see it from Earth at nighttime, not to mention daytime? And if any of the planets were in a different star system, that just complicates matters even more!

Presumably, all the targeted planets were not only in a single system, but were all co-orbiting each other so they could be close enough for visibility.

Come on, Star Wars! Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but we have to draw the line somewhere!

Could have been a system of 'super earths' orbiting a small star like a red dwarf. That would explain having 5 planets in the habitable zone. Perhaps it's not too uncommon for the planets to be as close as the moon is to earth. Some of those planets may have been moons or double planets.

its not any more silly than the DS slowly orbiting Yavin instead of jumping to the proper location once they knew the location of the base. And I'm not even starting on the silliness of starfighters dogfighting in space including banking like airplanes.

besides, the story and characters are the most important part of the movie, as the general audience has almost zero knowledge of real physics or astronomy and a lengthy explanation or appropriate apology to explain the rather impressive and dramatic visuals is just not needed.

14 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Tommy Wiseau...

"Oh, hey Supreme Chancellor Snoke, how's your sex life?"

or

Even Better

You know, Uwe Boll likes doing videogame movies, I bet they could get him to do an adaptation of Shadows of the Empire

13 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

The amount of hate in this thread for their choice of having JJ Abrams as director makes me ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan.

Welcome to the ultimate broken base.

Echo Base indeed.

15 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Yeah. It could be much worse.

Tommy Wiseau...Anthony C. Ferrante...Harold P. Warren...George Lucas...

Tommy Wiseau... ok... but how much would you pay to see Anakant CrySolo scream out "what are you doing to me Lisa?!?"

1 minute ago, kris40k said:

"Oh, hey Supreme Chancellor Snoke, how's your sex life?"

Ugh. PLEASE tell me that none of the upcoming films will show anyone walking in on Snoke in the middle of...er..."affairs of state".

Though I would like to see:

(Kylo walks onto the bridge of the Star Destroyer shouting at himself.)

Kylo: I did not Force-choke her; it's not true! I did not Force-choke her! <throws lightsaber> I did NOT! <looks up, and says completely calmly> Oh hai, Hux!

Two problems I have after reading this article:

1) they're bringing in the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Cursed Child to help fix their scripts? ****, these guys are stupid.

2) After IX, they want a DECADE AND A HALF more movies? ****! That's ******* dumb! They're going to make me hate Star Wars...

Marvel movies are ruined for me because there are too many of them. There's a small group of hardcore fans who actually understand what the **** is going on, and then a bunch of people like me who are constantly underwhelmed by yet another superhero movie with some infinity stones I gues. Now they're doing the same thing to Star Wars?

****.

1 minute ago, Ailowynn said:

Two problems I have after reading this article:

1) they're bringing in the guy who wrote Harry Potter and the Cursed Child to help fix their scripts? ****, these guys are stupid.

2) After IX, they want a DECADE AND A HALF more movies? ****! That's ******* dumb! They're going to make me hate Star Wars...

Marvel movies are ruined for me because there are too many of them. There's a small group of hardcore fans who actually understand what the **** is going on, and then a bunch of people like me who are constantly underwhelmed by yet another superhero movie with some infinity stones I gues. Now they're doing the same thing to Star Wars?

****.

If they really want to continue some storylines, I think big-budget television spin-offs are the way to go. Who else would love to see a series about the exploits of Rogue Squadron (and maybe even recanonize Wraith Squadron!)?

I don't mind more Star Wars. My problem with Marvel was that every movie has to be bigger and more bombastic than the last, and the storylines center around the same few characters rather than taking a chance on anything fresh or new.

In Star Wars, this will look like Poe and Rey becoming more and more powerful in each movie, capable of killing thousands of Stormtroopers with their bare hands, but in every movie an even bigger Death Star shows up, kills even more innocent bystanders, and eventually gets blown up by the same few heroes.

In my opinion, Ant-Man was a step in the right direction, and, along with Dr. Strange, the only good Marvel movie since Thor.

38 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

The amount of hate in this thread for their choice of having JJ Abrams as director makes me ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan.

Mr. Abrams is in my experience of viewing his films a barely competent purveyor of "product cinema." I have yet to give one of his films a positive review that amounts to much more than "It was okay." He shoots lazy scripts that don't hold up to any examination before you've even left the cinema. All of his moves look like TV shows from a visual and editing perspective and tend to be full of bouncy framing. His efforts on two of my favorite things Star Trek and Star Wars are awful movies aside from how awful they are at understanding Star Trek and Star Wars.

I have been a Star Wars fan for forty years and I will not embrace the mediocrity that Mr. Abrams always seems to provide. If this makes me a "bad" fan or shames you and others I can live with it. The creators and fan such as yourself of these new films do not get to brush aside my criticisms by making me out to be a bad person for expecting better than they've provided.

2 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

JJ Abrams has a pretty good track record of starting interesting and dynamic stories. He is less successful at bringing them to meaningful and satisfying conclusions.

• Alias (loved this show and watched it spiral down the drain)
• Lost (hardly watched but the ****-storm around the finale was fun to watch)
• Fringe (never, ever watched)
• Nu Trek

I mostly agree although I'm a little more positive on them. I've seen all of these.

Were they the best ever? No.

Did they have problems? Yes.

Were they all still really good despite the problems? Yes.

2 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

JJ Abrams has a pretty good track record of starting interesting and dynamic stories. He is less successful at bringing them to meaningful and satisfying conclusions.

• Alias (loved this show and watched it spiral down the drain)
• Lost (hardly watched but the ****-storm around the finale was fun to watch)
• Fringe (never, ever watched)
• Nu Trek

I've got no problems with Force Awakens. It was fun and funny and X-wings blew stuff up and it had likable characters doing interesting stuff... Yay. I just hope somebody is holding JJ's hand and helping him tie this all together in some fashion.

You really, REALLY need to watch Fringe. That is all.

19 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I don't mind more Star Wars. My problem with Marvel was that every movie has to be bigger and more bombastic than the last, and the storylines center around the same few characters rather than taking a chance on anything fresh or new.

In Star Wars, this will look like Poe and Rey becoming more and more powerful in each movie, capable of killing thousands of Stormtroopers with their bare hands, but in every movie an even bigger Death Star shows up, kills even more innocent bystanders, and eventually gets blown up by the same few heroes.

In my opinion, Ant-Man was a step in the right direction, and, along with Dr. Strange, the only good Marvel movie since Thor.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*wipes away tears*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*ahem*

Sorry about that. I'm guessing then that you never saw Guardians or either of the first 2 Captain America movies?

Oh, and Thor is one of the best? I mean, to each their own of course but still....wow.

I'm glad a director is returning, because I think unity of vision is important. Abrams' vision for Star Wars may not be the same as mine, but that ship has already jumped to hyperspace. That said, Episode VII was to me a fun movie, if not one I take very seriously, so I may well enjoy his Episode IX.

2 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

Luke is a badass only after he larns some ****, his first fight he gets his hand cut off and cries before trying to commit suicide.

I thought his first fight was when Luke got knocked out by a Tusken Raider.

24 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

I'm guessing then that you never saw Guardians or either of the first 2 Captain America movies?

Forgot the timing of the unholy ton of Marvel movies. The first Captain America was good. The second was not.

And why do you think people on a Star Wars forum would like Guardians of the Galaxy? It's basically a weird superhero Star Wars ripoff with bad 80's music.

Also, the power delta in superhero movies really bugs me. That's why Spider Man and Daredevil are my favorite superhero comics - because some of the villains are actually normal guys. When characters are thousands of times more powerful than the average person, it's not fun. Darth Vader kind of borders the annoying level of power delta - if he were any more powerful, he wouldn't be fun because there's not even a chance of any army defeating him unless they themselves are psychotically powerful. So yeah, I don't want that aspect of the superhero genre to be brought to Star Wars. If all the heroes are super powerful, why do Stormtroopers exist? Can't a superhero kill a whole army of Stormtroopers? There's no such thing as a true "battle" in the superhero genre (it's always a skirmish between a few people), so thus superheroes can't fight Star Wars .

24 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

And why do you think people on a Star Wars forum would like Guardians of the Galaxy? It's basically a weird superhero Star Wars ripoff with bad 80's music.

Hey, I like GotG...

And I really dont see how its supposed to be a Star Wars ripoff.

Ok, it´ s not your cup of tea. Thats okay. But don´ t assume that others don´t like it, because you dont like it.

38 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Also, the power delta in superhero movies really bugs me. That's why Spider Man and Daredevil are my favorite superhero comics - because some of the villains are actually normal guys. When characters are thousands of times more powerful than the average person, it's not fun. Darth Vader kind of borders the annoying level of power delta - if he were any more powerful, he wouldn't be fun because there's not even a chance of any army defeating him unless they themselves are psychotically powerful. So yeah, I don't want that aspect of the superhero genre to be brought to Star Wars. If all the heroes are super powerful, why do Stormtroopers exist? Can't a superhero kill a whole army of Stormtroopers? There's no such thing as a true "battle" in the superhero genre (it's always a skirmish between a few people), so thus superheroes can't fight Star Wars .

Agreed.

(but not the GotG part)

JJ loves moments.

JJ loves reveals.

JJ loves HIS mythology.

More than universe continuity.

More than character consistency.

More than franchise mythology.

19 minutes ago, Vode said:

Hey, I like GotG...

And I really dont see how its supposed to be a Star Wars ripoff.

Ok, it´ s not your cup of tea. Thats okay. But don´ t assume that others don´t like it, because you dont like it.

I think we're on the same side here. If you think GotG isn't Star Wars, then let's all agree that we don't want Disney to try to Marvel-ify Star Wars by making it like GotG.

You know, the thing is. Even if you don't like JJ, are there actually people who don't think he's an upgrade from Trevorrow? Like, did nobody see Jurassic World? It was occasionally competent, but mostly it was bad. Take every complaint anyone's ever made about Abrams and amp them up to 11, because Colin is really bad at making movies . But wait, you might say, maybe his indie films were better. To which I reply: lol. Read and cackle, because jesus christ . No, really. Go read it. It's insane.

There's maybe one filmmaker who would have been a downgrade, and that's Josh Trank. This is good news, even if you think it could be better news.

4 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

That's maybe a good thing.

Means it probably won't suck.

Might also mean it will just be a rehash of RotJ...

So if we get a rehash of rotj who wears the golden bikini