10 minutes ago, Astech said:

That's just clutching at straws. There's no good reason for Kylo not to incapacitate and/or kill Rey when he has the chance.

Yes there is, and it is something you still just don't get apparently. He was fascinated with her, probably knows who she is, and wants to turn her and take Rey as his apprentice.

Anyhow, we've probably reached the conclusion of this long derail.

We'll have to agree to disagree about TFA. I thought it was good. And I liked the duel. You did not. Let's move on.

2 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Anyhow, we've probably reached the conclusion of this long derail.

We'll have to agree to disagree about TFA. I thought it was good. And I liked the duel. You did not. Let's move on.

Yeah, when you're dealing with magic space wizards there's only so far you can take a debate.

I can enjoy TFA, just less than the other movies.

I think it's time for Disney to just bite the bullet and put Auralnauts in charge of the francihse.

On 18/09/2017 at 7:20 AM, Astech said:

ANH shows elegant swordplay (if a bit dry to watch). ESB shows Luke hacking futilely against Vader's flawless technique. Even the prequels show finesse, if you overlook the backflips. Obi-Wan in particular always shows amazing form while fighting.

Interesting take, Todd. Let's see if the experts agree!

3 hours ago, Astech said:

That's just clutching at straws. There's no good reason for Kylo not to incapacitate and/or kill Rey when he has the chance.

Just to entertain the thought, let's say there is, or rather that it doesn't matter because the planet they're fighting on is literally breaking apart.

I'd wish to express that the fight still squandered a lot of potential. On of the central motives of TFA was Rey and Finn learning to trust each other, going from complete strangers lying in everyones face to (in theory) dependable heroes (or the larval form thereof).

This is not only the most obvious hook for a battle based on Teamwork, it is also a central theme of every beginning Star Wars chapter. Yet, it was almost completely disregarded in the fight we got. Rey and Finn quite literally took turns going at Kylo, with a rather flimsy pretense for the other to be out of the fight temporarily.

Imagine this: Rey still has the blaster they brought from inside Starkiller Base. Finn carries the Lightsaber. Rey gets pushed, causing Finn to grab the blaster (the weapon he trained with), yet posing little more than a distraction for Kylo, pushing Finn, while Rey gets up, cue "pull Lightsaber out of snow"-Scene as in the movie. Play out the rest of the fight just as presented in TFA.

Then, Kylo corners Rey, gives his little speech, Finn gets back up and fires at Kylo. Kylo freezes the bolt mid-air (cause he can), providing an opening for Rey to win. Teamwork overcomes pure power.

This is by no means meant to be a conclusive rewrite, but TFA basically just went with "Oh, right, I totally have the Force, I forgot". Reasons for Kylo's behaviour can always be found later in the trilogy, even satisfying ones, but the fight's shortcomings sadly go further, creating problems that could even seroiusly disrupt character Dynamics in the future, lest they just handwave it. Which would be a shame.

1 hour ago, DampfGecko said:

Just to entertain the thought, let's say there is, or rather that it doesn't matter because the planet they're fighting on is literally breaking apart.

I'd wish to express that the fight still squandered a lot of potential. On of the central motives of TFA was Rey and Finn learning to trust each other, going from complete strangers lying in everyones face to (in theory) dependable heroes (or the larval form thereof).

This is not only the most obvious hook for a battle based on Teamwork, it is also a central theme of every beginning Star Wars chapter. Yet, it was almost completely disregarded in the fight we got. Rey and Finn quite literally took turns going at Kylo, with a rather flimsy pretense for the other to be out of the fight temporarily.

Imagine this: Rey still has the blaster they brought from inside Starkiller Base. Finn carries the Lightsaber. Rey gets pushed, causing Finn to grab the blaster (the weapon he trained with), yet posing little more than a distraction for Kylo, pushing Finn, while Rey gets up, cue "pull Lightsaber out of snow"-Scene as in the movie. Play out the rest of the fight just as presented in TFA.

Then, Kylo corners Rey, gives his little speech, Finn gets back up and fires at Kylo. Kylo freezes the bolt mid-air (cause he can), providing an opening for Rey to win. Teamwork overcomes pure power.

This is by no means meant to be a conclusive rewrite, but TFA basically just went with "Oh, right, I totally have the Force, I forgot". Reasons for Kylo's behaviour can always be found later in the trilogy, even satisfying ones, but the fight's shortcomings sadly go further, creating problems that could even seroiusly disrupt character Dynamics in the future, lest they just handwave it. Which would be a shame.

At least they weren't fighting mere inches above molten rock without even breaking a sweat.

13 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

At least they weren't fighting mere inches above molten rock without even breaking a sweat.

Well, in the end they sort of did. Granddad had it worse, though. In every interpretation possible.

Seeing Anakin writhing like a limbless seal screeching "I hate you!" Was the only satisfaction from watching the entire prequel trilogy.

-How's THAT for a hot take?

On 9/20/2017 at 11:23 AM, JJ48 said:

At least they weren't fighting mere inches above molten rock without even breaking a sweat.

Jedi cardio and Degree antiperspirant allow them to not break a sweat.

I hate it every time it’s brought up that these doods aren’t sweating. It’s like a thousand degrees, the air convection alone should have broiled them alive as soon as the shields shut off. Sweating is the least of the problems with that scene.

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

Jedi cardio and Degree antiperspirant allow them to not break a sweat.

I hate it every time it’s brought up that these doods aren’t sweating. It’s like a thousand degrees, the air convection alone should have broiled them alive as soon as the shields shut off. Sweating is the least of the problems with that scene.

I always just figured they jedi-ed the death away. Sweat, though? Much more difficult to deal with.