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I'm hyped!!

Will be using the Interceptor's dial for proxy (seems like a safe bet).

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Autothrusters (2)
First Order Vanguard (2)

"Quickdraw" (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)

Imperial Trainee (17)
Adaptive Ailerons (0)

Total: 98

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This list screws with target priorities. You don't want to shoot QuickDraw, you don't want to shoot Kylo, and you don't want to waste shooting at a 17 point Ship. I first had Vader in QD's spot. But thinking more about it. I'd rather let the crit come naturally and have a better ship in that spot.

17 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Strydan/Lone Wolf Ren as a 2 ship list?

That leaves you in a rather awkward "range 3, no closer, no further" bracket to get both Stridan's support and Lone Wolf.

This is where I'd probably be looking at going:

Captain Oicunn (42)
Predator (3)
Emperor Palpatine (8)
Ion Projector (2)

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Advanced Optics (3)
Autothrusters (2)
First Order Vanguard (2)

Total: 100

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Oicunn rams Nym or Miranda, Palps to ion project them if they bumps back then grinds them to death, else operates as a solid turret with enough health to tank a few bombs and tote Palp, whilst Kylo arc dodges at PS11 and gets his dice mods from FCS and Advanced Optics.

(I'm assuming Advanced Optics will be a focus version of Comm Relay for the same price)

I Will Settle... What You Scored

• Kylo Ren - TIE/vn - A Score To Settle, Fire Control System, Autothrusters (39)
• Quickdraw - TIE/sf - Rage, Electronic Baffle, Special Ops Training, Shield Upgrade (35)
• Omega Leader - TIE/fo - Juke, Comm Relay (26)

7 hours ago, HammerOfReason said:

The PTL + FCS + AT Kylo doesn't have such shiny toys as more fat versions

Why not ASTS on QD, allowing Kylo to upgrade to ASPTL? And ASTS also draws aggro from Sabacc

2 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I Will Settle... What You Scored

• Kylo Ren - TIE/vn - A Score To Settle, Fire Control System, Autothrusters (39)
• Quickdraw - TIE/sf - Rage, Electronic Baffle, Special Ops Training, Shield Upgrade (35)
• Omega Leader - TIE/fo - Juke, Comm Relay (26)

Part of the reason for ASTS is it's your ISYTDS crit.

You could replace my 35pt QD with Engine Vader for another source of crits I guess.

How about Spotter Kyle?

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Fire-Control System (2)
Targeting Synchronizer (3)
Autothrusters (2)

Zeta Specialist (23)
Fire-Control System (2)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)
Special Ops Training (0)

Gamma Squadron Veteran (19)
Crack Shot (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Guidance Chips (0)

Total: 100

You can probably drop down to a Scimitar for Backdraft, which is probably a better squad.

The only question in my mind there is what Kylo gets you that QD doesn't.

22 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The only question in my mind there is what Kylo gets you that QD doesn't.

For me probably way more fun when playing him

19 hours ago, HammerOfReason said:

Not really. You're losing the third crew slot, which would be something like Rebel Captive, and you're PS 9 instead of 10.

But Palp and Engine Upgrade are still there, and they're more important.

Extreme meh on Kylo and RAC. The obvious first target is the Decimator, so they will likely never trigger Kylo's ability in any meaningful timeframe, and there are enough things that deal with Kylo when the Deci is gone.

I've been running RAC/Quickdraw and the only thing that shuts off the crit-magnet status of the Deci is being able to choose when and where to show someone the darkside.

This is more of a "not as good Whisper/RAC" setup.

40 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The only question in my mind there is what Kylo gets you that QD doesn't.

Autothrusters.

To a lesser extent, boost.

Not saying you don't lose out, but Autothrusters is the draw, imo.

In some proxy games using an interceptors dial, Kylo is a beast. Especially since he can manipulate autothrusters to trigger his ability which really makes TLT carriers question whether to actually shoot him.

With the 4Hull 2Shields, autothrusters, ability, and PS9 he is extremely hard to kill.

Also that title is a lot better than people are getting credit for. Especially in recent metas where there are practically only 2-3 Ship builds around. On top of that it can prevent a kill shot from going through. Imagine Soontir with a predator re-roll 80% of the time he shoots.

Standard Kylo is definitely the one I put on here a few days ago.

PTL, Adv Sensors, Title, Autothrusters. 45 Points.

Mynocks mentioned this set up today on their podcast and same with Dion from Gold Squadron. The ability to Adv Sensor and bump into someone to prevent them from shooting you but you still have all your actions is great.

@Tbetts94

That build is exactly what I am look forward to the most.

Advanced Sensors is literally a better free decloak action.

If would be stapled to whisper if she had another way to consistently get TLs without FCS....looking at you System Officer Major Stridan. Although AS/Gunner Whisper or AS/RecSpec Whisper really isnt all that bad with Kylo Ren damaged cockpits around.

So there's been a lot of good Kylo ideas bounced around this thread. Here's something to think about though, Kylo's ability is not Fel's ability, it's not really something that makes him dramatically better at doing what he does than any other Silencer pilot, although his PS is pretty meaningful. That means that a lot of what we have discussed about Kylo also pertains to Test Pilot "Blackout". Assuming that TPB has an EPT on top of that rockin' callsign, he (or she) can do a lot of the same work that Kylo does, but at a marginally cheaper cost.

Furthermore, this opens up the intriguing possibility of a 2 Silencer list. There may be enough points left over for a cheap Striker or a named FO, but I'm not really sure. I wonder if there's something there, either with two PTL/Advanced Sensors, or one set up with FCS. I'm a little leary of it, initially, because you're kind of doubling down on one expensive ship type, but on the other hand, if one insanely maneuverable ship is good, why not two? It would look sexy as **** on the tabletop as well.

What about a Mangler Kath paired with Kylo? I've tried Kath out before and she wasn't too bad when there was a reason not too shoot her like Rebel Captive. Bomblets really make it hard to follow her too.

Basically, if you shoot at Kylo there's a negative. If you shoot at Kath there's a negative. If you block a Crit there's a negative. If you take a Crit there's a negative. Impossible to follow Kylo. A huge pain to follow Kath.

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Primed Thrusters (1)
Autothrusters (2)
First Order Vanguard (2)

Kath Scarlet (38)
Predator (3)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
Rebel Captive (3)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Andrasta (0)

Total: 97

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@Biophysical

Speaking of looking cool on the table......91 pts of "casual" play.

2 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

What about a Mangler Kath paired with Kylo? I've tried Kath out before and she wasn't too bad when there was a reason not too shoot her like Rebel Captive. Bomblets really make it hard to follow her too.

Basically, if you shoot at Kylo there's a negative. If you shoot at Kath there's a negative. If you block a Crit there's a negative. If you take a Crit there's a negative. Impossible to follow Kylo. A huge pain to follow Kath.

Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) (35)
Push the Limit (3)
Advanced Sensors (3)
Primed Thrusters (1)
Autothrusters (2)
First Order Vanguard (2)

Kath Scarlet (38)
Predator (3)
"Mangler" Cannon (4)
Rebel Captive (3)
Bomblet Generator (3)
Andrasta (0)

Total: 97

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I run Kath with Whisper today and it works rather well. Prefer Kylo Ren as the crew with expertise and engine upgrade. Then i give Whisper reb captive. Works really well against the same stuff Rac/Kylo murders.

See no reason why it wont work with Kylo.

1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

I run Kath with Whisper today and it works rather well. Prefer Kylo Ren as the crew with expertise and engine upgrade. Then i give Whisper reb captive. Works really well against the same stuff Rac/Kylo murders.

Yeah I tried Whisper/Kath before and even tried Kylo Crew on Kath with some success. Problem I would run into was she can get taken down fast without Rebel Captive on herself. I even won a tournament with Rebel Captive Kath, so I may be biased.

3 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

Yeah I tried Whisper/Kath before and even tried Kylo Crew on Kath with some success. Problem I would run into was she can get taken down fast without Rebel Captive on herself. I even won a tournament with Rebel Captive Kath, so I may be biased.

Yea your 100% right about that. Its a kind of pass fail list. You either get the kylo crits you need for dmgd cockpit or blinded early or you dont.

My goal usually is to cause enough pain with Kath before she blows up that Whisper can clean up and put Reb captive and a couple PS0s to work.

That said Kylo's silencer is a better all around partner with much less variance thanks to PTL and Advanced Sensors and that beautiful "missed me" title.

Just now, Boom Owl said:

Yea your 100% right about that. Its a kind of pass fail list. You either get the kylo crits you need for dmgd cockpit or blinded early or you dont.

My goal usually is to cause enough pain with Kath before she blows up that Whisper can clean up and put Reb captive and a couple PS0s to work.

That said Kylo's silencer is a better all around partner with much less variance thanks to PTL and Advanced Sensors and that beautiful title.

Speaking of that title though. Man it is extremely good. I don't think people have grasped how good it is.

(to the tune of Simon&Garfunkel's "The Sound of Silence", which I hope would go without saying)

Hello Dark Side, my old friend

I’m going to show your power again

Because my family has sweet flying skills

I’m going to fly my ship and rack up kills

And my targets, will be struck by my blaster bolts

What remains

Will be the sound of Silence(r)

@Tbetts94

Yea its an incredibly good title and gives a great chance at dodging burst damsge.

Just wish it was 2 pts more and this instead....how does this crew even exist in the same game....

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Just now, Boom Owl said:

@Tbetts94

Yea its an incredibly good title and gives a great chance at dodging burst damsge.

Just wish it was 2 pts more and this instead....how does this crew even exist....

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Agreed. I could go on a tangent about Scum Crew, Scum Dials, and Scum point costs. But that's a topic for another time.

@Tbetts94

How did you find keeping "one" target in arc during your proxy?

Its something im going to be paying more attention to in games now.