OK, Han says "At the start of the Ship Phase, you may activate as if you were activated by a squadron command"

AFFM says "the speed of each squadron that a friendly ship activates is"

I assume this means that Han does not increase his speed if he activates at the start of the round.

The assumption is of course that you activate the AFFM effect first (as it shares timing with Han)

- Its a tricky one to parse on absolutely explicit wording.

Han activates as if he were activated by a squadron command .

So he's not directly activated by a ship. Of course, we also know that, at least at this point in time, squadron commands only come from Ships... So the argument can be made there, but its an argument of rules intent rather than straight RAW.

Picking which ship is activating him is impossible (so no, he can't gain a random ships Flight Controllers)

But the Flight Command effect is a Global effect such as an Admirals...

I don't know if I agree with the argument, but the argument can at least be made .

Straight explicit RAW: Han does not speed up.

Argued Rules Intent: Han speeds up.

I would Assume explicit RAW saying "NO" in favour of any other choice until such time as FFG says otherwise, as that's the only way we can judge intent interactions.

Correct - If you use his ability then he doesn't get the speed increase as he's not activated by a ship. It just tells you he gets to move and attack

He can be activated by a ship and then get that speed

Han does not get the increase. Just like Leia is not a real token, Han is not really activated by a ship, hes activated as if activated by a ship. As if should always be deduced as not the real thing, until FFG rules otherwise. The upgrade is quiet clear, when a friendly ship.

1 hour ago, mintek917 said:

. As if should always be deduced as not the real thing, until FFG rules otherwise.

Why this?

Because its basically agreed that Leia *does* for the purposes of say, Nav Teams.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Why this?

Because its basically agreed that Leia *does* for the purposes of say, Nav Teams.

Because Leia and Nav team arent worded the same way. Leia makes your command be a spend a token at the same time, it doesent give you a token. Nav Team only says your token effect can either change speed or yaw. For Nav Teams to not work on Leia, nav team would have to specifically say you have to discard a token to change yaw. Since Leia gives you no token to discard, worded like that she couldnt use Nav team.

Lets imagine a simple scenario with dices. Say we get a squadron with a special ability that says a damage dice per attack can be used to lockdown a token as if it was an accuracy. It wouldnt mean you can proc Sloane off it. Its still a damage icon dice result. It would have to specifically tell you to change a dice with a damage icon to an accuracy icon for Sloane to work. Han Solo is not activated by a friendly ship, hence he doesent get the speed. If Leia is asked to discard a token to do something, she cannot, she never had a token. But if the effect proc off spending a token during a single command, Leia can still use it.

You are trying to set the precedence, however, with your own words, that "Considered to" does not equal "does".

That would mean, for example, that Admiral Montferrat, while at Speed three, doesn't actually Obstruct - He's just considered to... Which means Jaina's Light's Ability to say "cannot be obstructed" ends up... Not working. because he's not actually obstructed. He's only considered to be, and its apparently not the same thing.

Now, I'm not saying that Han should get the extra speed from AFFM. Not at all. I don't think it does. But its still very tricky wording to parse out.

"As if by a ship" and "activated by friendly ships" at least has the appearance of it working. Intended? Probably not. Perfectly Worded and Legal? Definitely Not.

I am merely pointing out that the argument exists and we will need guidance on it. Because generally speaking, Considered DOES equal . Rather than Not.

Han activates "as if activated by a squadron command", and will benefit from any effects which trigger "when a friendly squadron is activated by a squadron command".

But he did not get activated by a ship , or even as if by a ship . So it will not benefit from effects which trigger "when a friendly squadron is activated by a ship".

It's the "spend" vs "discard" argument all over again: A causes B, but if event B happens, that doesn't necessarily mean event A happened - and effects that trigger upon A do not resolve.

Indeed.

i thought his wording was otherwise and failed to double check ?