So this card comes with both ships in wave XIII, and appears to be a focus version of Comm Relay. What do people think of this on Poe? Here is a build:

Poe Dameron (HotR), 33

Push the Limit, 3

BB-8, 2

Advanced Optics, 3

Autothrusters, 2

Black One, 1

total: 44

A bit pricey, but it just might work! You could focus first turn, then never have to focus again unless you really need to spend it, which frees up your actions for boost and TL. This also protects you from some of the problems intensity has, like blocking and Carnor Jax. Will This card find a permanent home on Mr. Dameron?

Are you sure about this card already?

I mean is it 100% certain, that this will become a focus version of Comm Relay and costs 2 points?

1 minute ago, Schu81 said:

Are you sure about this card already?

I mean is it 100% certain, that this will become a focus version of Comm Relay and costs 2 points?

Similar phrasing on what we can see

also, Mr. Poe, meet Mr. Palob and Hot Shot Copilot.

2 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

Are you sure about this card already?

I mean is it 100% certain, that this will become a focus version of Comm Relay and costs 2 points?

It could be 3 points, but 2 seems pretty reasonable. Most ships would much rather bank an evade than a focus, since focus tokens are much more likely to be spent.

1 minute ago, GLEXOR said:

Will This card find a permanent home on Mr. Dameron?

Not likely. If the card indeed stores a focus token, it will be a popular option for Poe Dameron. It will not be auto-take as your question implies. Poe has a lot of great options without the need to store a token for multiple rounds. This card should pair well with PtL like the build you posted, but Patern Analyzer will compete with it. Intensity builds will still prefer Primed Thrusters or Comm Relay. PS8 Regen Poe will still maken great use of Lone Wolf and might like to store a Focus, but again, Pattern Analyzer is an awesome card.

16 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

Are you sure about this card already?

I mean is it 100% certain, that this will become a focus version of Comm Relay and costs 2 points?

Seems like a safe bet, the phrasing is almost the same, but says foc(us) instead of evade. this would not be the first time they did something like this, for example: weapons guidance and sensor cluster.

Alright! Thanks for the info!

Then it will be a gread addition for Poe!

This card will be hilarious on Poe. Take a focus at the beginning of the game and keep it forever. As long as you never come across Palob, Teroch, or Hot Cops, you're fine.

If you want a truly annoying build, consider: Lone Wolf, Optics, R2-D2, AT, Black One. You always have offensive and defensive rerolls in addition to having your pilot ability on forever. The only action you ever have to take is boost. And more importantly, your dial is always fully open. You can do whatever maneuver you want and have all your special tricks.

This frees up Poe's EPT for Lone Wolf.

This pleases me.

5 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Lone Wolf, Optics, R2-D2, AT, Black On

I like the idea, but...

It's just one point less than intensity comm relay. But that point matters a lot. The largest deficiency of the T70 is defence, the lack in a third agility die and/or evade. That is why intensity is so great on xwings of both variants, and it is why I don't really see advanced optics.

Even WHEN (not if) you get both evades on Poe: almost all attacks are 3 or more dice, so always one gets through. That one is regenerated. But every additional damage that is still quite likely will then cause lasting damage.

T70 needs 3-4 'evades' per round, and this adv optics does not allow Poe to get it.

14 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

This card will be hilarious on Poe. Take a focus at the beginning of the game and keep it forever. As long as you never come across Palob, Teroch, or Hot Cops, you're fine.

If you want a truly annoying build, consider: Lone Wolf, Optics, R2-D2, AT, Black One. You always have offensive and defensive rerolls in addition to having your pilot ability on forever. The only action you ever have to take is boost. And more importantly, your dial is always fully open. You can do whatever maneuver you want and have all your special tricks.

I'll have to try this when it comes closer to release!

It's for Ps 11 r2d2 Poe

Optional Black1 title

VI AdvOp R2D2 if you need ps11. Intensity R2D2 Comm Relay otherwise.

I'd be surprised if it's not at least 3 points. The going rate for an extra action is 3 points.

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'd be surprised if it's not at least 3 points. The going rate for an extra action is 3 points.

But it isn't an extra action. It is, however, keeping one focus token during the end phase, but you can never have more than one ever. And the going rate for a similar token (evade) being kept in the same way is only 2.

See: Comm Relay.

nvm

Just now, GLEXOR said:

But it isn't an extra action. It is, however, keeping one focus token during the end phase, but you can never have more than one ever. And the going rate for a similar token (evade) being kept in the same way is only 2.

See: Comm Relay.

Comm Relay is 3 points, but we'll see how it shakes out.

4 minutes ago, RampancyTW said:

Comm Relay is 3 points, but we'll see how it shakes out.

just did a google search, and you are right. it would be tom-foolery to believe it is 3 points.

8 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:

But it isn't an extra action. It is, however, keeping one focus token during the end phase, but you can never have more than one ever. And the going rate for a similar token (evade) being kept in the same way is only 2.

See: Comm Relay.

It is essentially an extra action. Instead of going into turn 2 with just one action's worth of tokens, you're going in with two.

Compare the prices of Comm Relay, Recon Specialist, K4 Security Droid, Fleet Officer, Push the Limit, Experimental Interface, Weapons Engineer, Kyle Katarn crew, etc etc etc. It's rare that extra actions are cheaper than 3 points, and when they are they're sharply limited in how easy they are to get and use (e.g. Fire Control System (have to attack, and then attack the same target next turn), Systems Officer (have to do a green and end in range 1 of another ship), Jyn Erso (have to have multiple enemy ships in arc) etc etc etc).

I'd be shocked if this is less than 3, and unsurprised if it was 4, given how much more useful focus tokens are than evade tokens. But Weapons Guidance and Sensor Cluster costing the same implies pretty heavily that it would be 3.

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

It is essentially an extra action. Instead of going into turn 2 with just one action's worth of tokens, you're going in with two.

Compare the prices of Comm Relay, Recon Specialist, K4 Security Droid, Fleet Officer, Push the Limit, Experimental Interface, Weapons Engineer, Kyle Katarn crew, etc etc etc. It's rare that extra actions are cheaper than 3 points, and when they are they're sharply limited in how easy they are to get and use (e.g. Fire Control System (have to attack, and then attack the same target next turn), Systems Officer (have to do a green and end in range 1 of another ship), Jyn Erso (have to have multiple enemy ships in arc) etc etc etc).

I'd be shocked if this is less than 3, and unsurprised if it was 4, given how much more useful focus tokens are than evade tokens. But Weapons Guidance and Sensor Cluster costing the same implies pretty heavily that it would be 3.

see my previous comment, and the edited OP. I changed it to 3 points like, 12 minutes ago.

You didn't edit the post I quoted. And besides, the point was more to respond to your assertion that Comm Relay/Advanced Optics aren't extra actions, rather than only to discuss price.

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

You didn't edit the post I quoted. And besides, the point was more to respond to your assertion that Comm Relay/Advanced Optics aren't extra actions, rather than only to discuss price.

But they aren't extra actions, they are actions that you performed in a previous round as your action in your "Perform Action" step (unless it wasn't, in which case, the thing that granted it was the extra action), than got rewarded for not spending it.

Or, to put it another way, extra actions.

My definition of an upgrade providing an extra action is ANY upgrade that provides you with more effective actions than you can get from just a single action in your perform action step. That's what action efficiency means in basically every discussion of x-wing I've ever seen.

theres no way its a 3pt card.

Comm Relay is 3pts and is technically superior in every way. Why?

The odds of you having more than 1 evade token is pretty much none except for a couple of rebel ships that cant take a tech anyway.
Using said evade token is limited strictly to defense, and because you usually also have a focus you might not even need it for a few defending rolls so you dont have to burn an action mid-dogfight to get it back.

The odds of you having more than 1 focus token is INCREDIBLY high for any faction, especially Scum/Imps (attani and fleet/hux combined with your own focus action) and Jyn w/o Jan for Rebels. These abilities are now weakened by this card.
The odds of you spending that focus are 3x as likely. You have no evade token to possibly not burn the focus you are banking (else you'd take the comm relay if they were the same cost) and you can also end up burning it on offense.

For Poe, most of that isnt that big of a deal. I'm speaking for all tech users...its inferior to comm relay at 3 points. If it costs that much it will ONLY be seen on Poe.

I disagree with both your logic and your assertions about how this will be used.

Basically.

I'd put it on Quickdraw for 3 points in a heartbeat. Getting that initial Cruise Missile off with Focus/TL without any outside assistance is a huge boon. Same is true of basically anything with an alpha strike.

8 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

theres no way its a 3pt card.

Comm Relay is 3pts and is technically superior in every way. Why?

The odds of you having more than 1 evade token is pretty much none except for a couple of rebel ships that cant take a tech anyway.
Using said evade token is limited strictly to defense, and because you usually also have a focus you might not even need it for a few defending rolls so you dont have to burn an action mid-dogfight to get it back.

The odds of you having more than 1 focus token is INCREDIBLY high for any faction, especially Scum/Imps (attani and fleet/hux combined with your own focus action) and Jyn w/o Jan for Rebels. These abilities are now weakened by this card.
The odds of you spending that focus are 3x as likely. You have no evade token to possibly not burn the focus you are banking (else you'd take the comm relay if they were the same cost) and you can also end up burning it on offense.

For Poe, most of that isnt that big of a deal. I'm speaking for all tech users...its inferior to comm relay at 3 points. If it costs that much it will ONLY be seen on Poe.

Focus tokens are more versatile, and unlike evades they're available to every ship in the game to date. A fair tradeoff, but we'll have to wait and see.