Lets maybe wait until ya know....we know.......

43 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

They've done it now and then before.

Every time I read it I hear "13 upgrades" and "3 copies". Cut the marketing crap. They're not giving you more than the stated number.

I do feel like it's price justification. I don't agree with it, but I'll probably end up buying it because I rather like having "one of everything" for list building and completionist purposes. I prioritized ships I liked, and then wound up backfilling my addiction with the rest.

I'm a 'one of everything' person and I haven't broken my one copy of each expansion mantra yet. But GUNBOAT is happening, and I will be snapping up every one I can afford, and more! After thAt, I might finally start filling out my imps with more Fighters, Bombers and strikers, because I'll be darned to heck if I buy multiples of Rebel Scum expansions.

3 hours ago, GLEXOR said:

Is it "Tanked"?

Yeah. I am fine with the reality show trickery like how it takes one-two weeks to install a tank but they act like it is a one day job. The "no less than" thing is what grinds my gears though.

On 9/8/2017 at 7:51 PM, Herowannabe said:

Yeah, the TIE silencer should be $20, like the K-Wing, Punisher, ARC, etc.

The Bomber should be $30, like all the other large based ships that didn't also come with a small based bonus ship (i.e.: everything except the Ghost).

I'm baffled. I don't know what FFG is thinking. Hopefully it's an error.

The Decimator, Hound's Tooth, Shadow Caster, and Upsilon-class Shuttle expansions are all priced at $40. I'm not sure where you got "like all the other large based ships" from.

1 hour ago, Freeptop said:

The Decimator, Hound's Tooth, Shadow Caster, and Upsilon-class Shuttle expansions are all priced at $40. I'm not sure where you got "like all the other large based ships" from.

Exactly. $40 is the price point for the bigger large ships. The ghost was $50 coming with the extra small ship

What gets me is the Resistance Bomber shows up right after they downscaled the Scurrg to small base.

Would've made a great pair of ordinance/bomb-heavy counterparts to face off over the table with: One turreted, the other Ghost-like in configuration (turret upgrade, heavy primaries).

The amount of privilege in this post is staggering.

Almost every post here reads like: "Wah. Wah. My toy plastic spaceships that I go "pew pew!" with cost more money than I think they should. Wah."

Honestly.

13 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Anyone know off hand if FFG tries to convince us of the price in every preview?

"No less than 13 upgrades.."

"No less than three copies.."

Etc. I don't recall this type of language in other promotional articles (and I'm too lazy to check on my phone) but I'm curious if they knew the price backlash was coming and tried to convey their logic in the preview. I certainly don't recall them "selling" in the past.. Usually the product did that for them.

Curious to see if they do some last minute change of card content and screw people over (Misthunter).

As for more cardboard=more costs. Not really, wave 1 came out in translations. The Swedish/Finnish version was bilingual, doubles of all cards and cardboard, the packs were stuffed to the utter limit. Same price.

It's not the mouse dictating their prices. Its them trying to cash in on the interest for the new movie (and why not, that's marketing, they are doing a business). Do not buy them if you think it costs too much.

edit: spelling

20 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Complaining loudly and incessantly I might add.

And fine, don't buy it. But I have to ask: what makes you think any of us care?

10 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

A. It's really more directed at FFG than it is to any of you.

B. You guys wouldn't keep trying to talk me out of complaining if you didn't care or think it mattered. In fact, complaining about the prices of these miniatures is the entire point of this thread. So if you didn't care about that, you wouldn't even be reading this thread in the first place.

C. Do you care about anyone else's thoughts or opinions here besides your own to begin with? Or do you only care enough to pretend not to care when someone disagrees with you?

Okay everyone, yes we know it is rather shady to put even a ship that would fit in a large blister in larger packaging and charging it for the packaging. I can think of worse practices (cough*random pack boosters*cough*Destiny), but most of us are going to buy it. Some might not for any number of reasons, one not everyone that plays X-wing plays Imperials and if there are no upgrades of interest to other factions then there is no need to pick up a TIE Silencer. Still with this X-wing is the most affordable game per bar of entry into the game. Those that think it has gotten too bad with the Meta or power creep or even price creep (because that is exactly what this is, price creep) there are other miniature games, but since FFG holds the Star Wars license with an agreement with Disney, all star wars miniature games that are still being printed are from FFG.

That being said I would like to know where this decision came from. FFG is not the only suspect although it is the most suspicious. There is also Disney and lets not forget about Asmode who gave Alliance sole distribution rights. Something like this would not be out of their grasp since they are the ones holding the money.

I'am curious ti know why the price Will bè 2x or normale price.

Ffg have to giustify It.

And if It is not a resina le i hope noone buy It.

It is simple, if you think it is too expensive - dont buy it.

9 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Lets maybe wait until ya know....we know.......

know what?

2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

know what?

Know what's in the box I guess.

Even though the picture pretty much shows you what's in the box.

I've bought heavy into this game, I have multiples (3 or 4 ) of every ship from every wave up 10 wave 10, I have one each of those I think. I have all the epics, save the new scum one.

I'm a casual player, not a hardcore player. 3 observations:

1. price keeps climbing. roughly 10% increase last year and about a 30% increase on the silencer at least

2. More power creep, more complex interactions, lots of new actions on the bar (like reinforce on the wookie ship) makes a lot of earlier wave ships obsolete. also makes it harder for a casual player to keep up. (I used to play some small local tournaments, I don't think i'd even want to try it now.)

3. maybe it's just me, but the waves keep coming faster and faster, and some of the ships are really obscure. How many different ties are there now?

Happy about finally having the gunboat, but I don't know about the rest. I certainly don't think I'll be buying multiples going foward, as I really don't care about the wookie fighter and ships like it. I can see my expenditures on this game going down a lot, along with my interest, sadly.

More isn't always better. Just my opinion.

10 hours ago, Slugrage said:

The amount of privilege in this post is staggering.

Almost every post here reads like: "Wah. Wah. My toy plastic spaceships that I go "pew pew!" with cost more money than I think they should. Wah."

Honestly.

I'm a huge fan of the game, play casual only, and have purchased an imbecilic amount of it. So I probably should hang out here more often. It is the immature and privileged--you nailed it--hive mind that keeps me mostly away. I don't mind concerns or complaints about price, just tone. That's probably an age thing.

The rules forum is really valuable, though.

10 hours ago, Slugrage said:

The amount of privilege in this post is staggering.

Almost every post here reads like: "Wah. Wah. My toy plastic spaceships that I go "pew pew!" with cost more money than I think they should. Wah."

Honestly.

Just apply that "If it's too expensive, don't buy it" logic to the forum - if you don't like it...

I think the price is neither here nor there really as both are unattractive models. I don't blame FFG for that though.

The other unfortunate thing about these ships is that it speaks further ill of the new sequel trilogy's design aesthetic and further erodes any of the little remaining enthusiasm I hold for upcoming film.

1 hour ago, Darthfish said:

I've bought heavy into this game, I have multiples (3 or 4 ) of every ship from every wave up 10 wave 10, I have one each of those I think. I have all the epics, save the new scum one.

I'm a casual player, not a hardcore player. 3 observations:

1. price keeps climbing. roughly 10% increase last year and about a 30% increase on the silencer at least

Compared to what? The MSRP prices haven't changed. I know they made changes to prevent the giant discounts from a couple online retailers (supposedly to promote using your FLGS)

1 hour ago, Darthfish said:

2. More power creep, more complex interactions, lots of new actions on the bar (like reinforce on the wookie ship) makes a lot of earlier wave ships obsolete. also makes it harder for a casual player to keep up. (I used to play some small local tournaments, I don't think i'd even want to try it now.)

They've definitely added a lot of interactions and new abilities/combos, can't really argue with that.

1 hour ago, Darthfish said:

3. maybe it's just me, but the waves keep coming faster and faster, and some of the ships are really obscure. How many different ties are there now?

The wave releases have kept a pretty consistent schedule over the lsat few years. 2 waves per year, with 2 non-wave releases (epic ships or aces packs). The only thing that's been added to that is 2 new ships with the new movie each year.

Meh.... The Silencer model looks similar, possibly even larger, than the U Wing. Remember you're not just paying for the ship and cards, but the packaging and shipping. The box size looks similar to the U Wing as well. The size of the little plastic base plate doesn't really impact the cost to produce the product. The size and detail of the model most certainly does, as well as the cost to produce the packaging, and for large packages you fit far fewer in a freight container, and pay more in shipping using any other methods. $30 seems like if fits right in with their pricing of previous waves for a model like this.

Up until now you could judge the cost using the base size only because the larger sized models always got the large bases. But that is more coincidence than causation. You're being an idiot if you think the cost to produce these things has anything to do with the cheap plastic base size.

Resistance bomber is a large base ship, OP is being stupid. The model and packaging look similar in size to the Upsilon Shuttle, and the price is exactly the same.

Whole thread is one giant nothing-burger.

On 10.9.2017 at 2:28 AM, JasonCole said:

Not gonna read all the crap before this, but I'll try and put my two cents in anyway. Packaging size is going to dictate price point, period. A long ship like the U wing or Striker, regardless of base size, requires a certain amount of void airspace protection to prevent breakage in shipping, which forces it out of blisters and into boxes. There are two blister sizes, $14.99 and $19.99. Both of those blisters are based around small base ships. Once you hit large base, the base itself no longer fits in the blister, so you're forced into a box. Price points are based, at this point, on how many units fit into a case, and how many cases fit into a ConEx (intermodal).

In short, it isn't about how big the base is, it's about how many units they can transport overseas at X cost. Given abysmal overseas production costs, it makes sense that a significant portion of the point of sale cost is based purely on shipping.

To put this into perspective when I order stuff the size of the imperial raider package, directly from Shenzhen, China, I pay at best 5€ in shipping, and even that is a stretch, as I would assume that not 100% of the price I paid is shipping. ;-)
Now the Raider has an MSRP of $99.95.
I think we can rule shipping costs out, right? ;-)

And btw, if shipping costs would be a factor, FFG most certainly would not sell those blisters nor would they build such spacious boxes with a lot of empty space around a little bit of cardboard. You see a lot people cutting out the plastic protection around the ships and store those in micro-hangar boxes, that would be the packing style that FFG would use if shipping per ship would not be dirt cheap. Instead FFG makes the boxes as big as reasonably possible to give their customers the feeling of getting something for their money. Big, bulky boxes makes you feel like you are bringing some big catch home ... even when in the end the whole X-Wing inventory of your average FLGS fits into two feldherr transporter bags, one if you leave out the epics. And feldherr is already extremely space and big compared to battle foam solutions ;-)

On 9/8/2017 at 5:47 PM, Cubanboy said:

I got my raider on sale at barns and nobles for 47 dollars. I sold three sets Ad Targ/Tie Ad title for 45. Later I sold palp for 35 and traded a K-wing for him Back. In Short Deals are out there and The Raider is by far the coolest thing ever. When you compare what the cost of GW would charge for a ship that size unpainted this is still a steal.

PS this is a rip off ..... https://shop.lego.com/en-US/Millennium-Falcon-75192

That is pretty standard for lego pricing. Usually they are a little over10 Cents per lego piece. So 7500 pieces would be over 750 bucks.

13 hours ago, Slugrage said:

The amount of privilege in this post is staggering.

Almost every post here reads like: "Wah. Wah. My toy plastic spaceships that I go "pew pew!" with cost more money than I think they should. Wah."

Honestly.

Because forums are exactly for that. To share opinions.
If his dissapointment with prices bothers you why are you here at all? Clearly sharing thoughts with others or having to accept their point of view is unimaginable, or even unbearable, for you.

7 minutes ago, Embir82 said:

Because forums are exactly for that. To share opinions.

'Cause this can't be stated enough...
Well said.

I really hope it's a mistake. Im not paying 30$ for a small base piece of junk just to get the upgrades (if there is any worth buying...)

3 minutes ago, Thormind said:

I really hope it's a mistake. Im not paying 30$ for a small base piece of junk just to get the upgrades (if there is any worth buying...)

If it wasn't a small base and had a large base for the cost, would you be ok paying $30?