1 hour ago, VanderLegion said:The main draw of the gunboat is from TIE Fighter. And even in 5 games it's still a small fraction of the number of people that have seen Star Wars. And there's probably a LOT of overlap in the people that played said games.
edit: also, what was the fifth game? X-Wing, tie fighter, X-Wing vs tie fighter, and X-Wing alliance. What was #5?
related, there REALLY needs to be a new modern X-Wing game
It made an appearance in the dark forces 2 expansion
1 hour ago, Kdubb said:If that upsets me, I can just not buy this product, but that seems like a silly thing to get upset about since a player purchasing this is getting the apropriate value out of it from what we've seen in previous releases.
Here's the thing though.
I can not buy the product AND also **** on it, in the hopes that they don't repeat this kind of thing in the future.
I mean, sure, I suppose I could JUST speak with my wallet. By why not speak with my wallet AND my voice. Seems like it increases the chance of being heard. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean I have to remain silent.
Especially when the things that are supposedly adding that "appropriate value" are things with no actual value(extra packaging the ship's size doesn't warrant and mission books that nobody ever uses).
8 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:mission books that nobody ever uses
*Raises hand slowly* "I use them..."
39 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:*Raises hand slowly* "I use them..."
^^^
people who only play for tournaments might not use the mission books, but I betcha tons of casual players out theee do
Well $30-$40 is the typical price for large base ships.
On 9/8/2017 at 5:49 PM, PhantomFO said:Seriously, unless people genuinely believed it cost them an extra $10 to make a larger base for the IG-2000 compared to the Skurgg.
But yeah that is the question. Even the Scurrg was in a Small blister pack for $20. So why did FFG decide to go with the larger packaging for the ship? The splash doesn't show anything that really requires extra packaging. This looks like a publisher decision but question is how high up was the call made. Was it an FFG Exec, Asmode Board, or did Disney told them to put both in the bigger boxes?
Edited by Marinealver1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:Especially when the things that are supposedly adding that "appropriate value" are things with no actual value(extra packaging the ship's size doesn't warrant and mission books that nobody ever uses).
Saying mission books add no additional value is spitting in the face of a healthy amount of players that enjoy scenario play as well as the designers who took the time to create them. They hold value, whether or not you see that.
And you are free to make a fuss about it and so are the others who have done the same. I'll continue to try to help you and others realize that this is simply a large ship expansion that happens to be for a small base.
Was looking forward to the Silencer coming then saw this thread. At the moment, I'm not sure I'll pick it or the bomber, up.
After looking at the Silencer in the preview's main pic, not the fan pic, it looks to me that the ship is a little wider than a small base and just under 2 bases in length. From the front tip to about the 1st panel upright looks to be about base length and from that to the back looks shorter than a base. We know how long a base is so it should be easy enough for someone to get it's actual length figured. Less than 1.5" wide and less than 3" long. Pretty sure that would fit in the packaging that the Punisher comes in and there's no way the Silencer is more plastic than the Punisher.
Other problem is the cards. I see no reason for the ATs. People that play Imps already bought 1 if not 2 Star Vipers they don't use(like me) or I'm pretty sure they've come in something since and likely in the Scum Vets but not looked at the preview in a bit to be certian. Kylo's condition card is there because they gave it as the pilot ability to avoid coming up with something new. 3 cards at least that shouldn't be there but are for the sake of giving large ship base number of cards to go with the pricing.
Nothing in the upcoming wave(Starwing & whatever else was in it) would suggest any rise in production cost that would account for the Silencer and bomber costs increases considering the closer than usual, between waves, release timing. Bomber seems to have about the standard number of larger ship cards/tokens. Costs don't seem to be reflected.
Only conclusion I can come to is The Mouse said so.
8 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:What does that have to do with them charging me twice as much for a package that's not giving me twice the value?
You understand they were already making money when they were charging me $15 for a small ship yes? I'll even be fair and say this thing is more in line with the TIE Punisher, which was $20. I was already paying their salaries and their administrative costs when I was paying $20 for a small ship.
Now they want me to pay $30 for the exact same product with a few extra pieces of paper in the box? Well guess what, if their objective was to make money they ****ed up, because I'm not paying that.
Costs could have gone up. Markets fluctuate. Deal with it.
2 hours ago, Marinealver said:Well $30-$40 is the typical price for large base ships.
Even the Scurrg was in a Small blister pack for $20.
No it isn't. It's in one of those bigger blisters, which sit between a small blister (e.g. TIE Fighter) and a box, and have that intermediate price point.
Edited by Dr ZoidbergLots of salt in here, and vinigar as well it seems.
i will get the TIE because it's a TIE, but not before I get my fill of GUNBOATS (at least 5, or 12, or 20, we'll see what I can afford right away). I'll pass on the Bomber for now. So far I haven't seen anything worth getting upset over. That's a big TIE and pointy, probably fairly delicate and too fragile for a 'medium' blister.
3 hours ago, Marinealver said:So why did FFG decide to go with the larger packaging for the ship? The splash doesn't show anything that really requires extra packaging.
2 hours ago, Filter said:it looks to me that the ship is a little wider than a small base and just under 2 bases in length. From the front tip to about the 1st panel upright looks to be about base length and from that to the back looks shorter than a base. We know how long a base is so it should be easy enough for someone to get it's actual length figured. Less than 1.5" wide and less than 3" long. Pretty sure that would fit in the packaging that the Punisher comes in and there's no way the Silencer is more plastic than the Punisher.
The Scurrg was 75mm wide. And as @TylerTT showed in his thread, the Silencer will probably be around 80mm long. So it is very well possible that the size requires a larger packaging. The punisher with 52mm width is by the way much smaller.
1 hour ago, Dr Zoidberg said:Costs could have gone up. Markets fluctuate. Deal with it.
I am. By complaining and then not buying it.
7 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:I am. By complaining and then not buying it.
Complaining loudly and incessantly I might add.
And fine, don't buy it. But I have to ask: what makes you think any of us care?
It's worth mentioning that neither the TIE Silencer or the bomber spreads show any mission-only tokens, while many other large ship expansion packs do.
A signal of these ships not bringing any mission, just like the Upsilon?
I think they are trying to pay for a play testing department.
5 hours ago, Azrapse said:It's worth mentioning that neither the TIE Silencer or the bomber spreads show any mission-only tokens, while many other large ship expansion packs do.
A signal of these ships not bringing any mission, just like the Upsilon?
That would be hilarious.
Edited by LordFajubiOkay, no company prices products to what they cost to produce.
They price them to what you will pay.
So if you're going to pay it, me telling you what you totally already do not need me to, the price will stay high or go higher.
Do you want it? I see people picking up 4-5 of the same ship just to try a strategy. People buy $80 epic ships for the cards and never use the miniatures that come in them. A while ago I stated I think FFG should raise the price of their products if people are going to keep paying it and defending what they pay for. To me, I'd say they are rather smart for doing so. Sorry, it won't change unless people stop chasing unlimited price with their dollars, I really do not think.
8 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:...
No it isn't. It's in one of those bigger blisters, which sit between a small blister (e.g. TIE Fighter) and a box, and have that intermediate price point.
By small I meant blister packs for small base ships. Yes it is the bigger blister that you see ships such as the K-wing in for $20, and yes you do need a bigger blister pack. But the Silencer is the first small base ship to be put in a box by itself. It has always been small ships in blisters, large ships in boxes and multiple ships (small and large) in boxes. The old pricing
9 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:And fine, don't buy it. But I have to ask: what makes you think any of us care?
A. It's really more directed at FFG than it is to any of you.
B. You guys wouldn't keep trying to talk me out of complaining if you didn't care or think it mattered. In fact, complaining about the prices of these miniatures is the entire point of this thread. So if you didn't care about that, you wouldn't even be reading this thread in the first place.
C. Do you care about anyone else's thoughts or opinions here besides your own to begin with? Or do you only care enough to pretend not to care when someone disagrees with you?
Anyone know off hand if FFG tries to convince us of the price in every preview?
"No less than 13 upgrades.."
"No less than three copies.."
Etc. I don't recall this type of language in other promotional articles (and I'm too lazy to check on my phone) but I'm curious if they knew the price backlash was coming and tried to convey their logic in the preview. I certainly don't recall them "selling" in the past.. Usually the product did that for them.
Edited by Rinzler in a TieI do remember them mentioning the number of upgrades in the announcements.
2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:Anyone know off hand if FFG tries to convince us of the price in every preview?
"No less than 13 upgrades.."
"No less than three copies.."
Etc. I don't recall this type of language in other promotional articles (and I'm too lazy to check on my phone) but I'm curious if they knew the price backlash was coming and tried to convey their logic in the preview. I certainly don't recall them "selling" in the past.. Usually the product did that for them.
They've done it now and then before.
Every time I read it I hear "13 upgrades" and "3 copies". Cut the marketing crap. They're not giving you more than the stated number.
I do feel like it's price justification. I don't agree with it, but I'll probably end up buying it because I rather like having "one of everything" for list building and completionist purposes. I prioritized ships I liked, and then wound up backfilling my addiction with the rest.
18 hours ago, GLEXOR said:*Raises hand slowly* "I use them..."
Adding another hand to the mission books. I have a hard finding competitive play but can find people to play Epic missions, Trench Run and HotAC. We have played the included missions an some posted by FFG. We are making up some of our own now and there are some who are working on a Scariff Scenario -- so yeah, gimme missions. Not everyone plays tournaments and drinks meta for breakfast.
7 minutes ago, TurboCooler said:Adding another hand to the mission books.
I have tried some of them, so I'll throw my hat in the ring too.
Some ffg missions are lots of fun (c-roc campaign was awesome). Others suck (U-wing mission which is basically a 100/6 death match with one gimmick). They vary a bit on their quality.
2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:"No less than 13 upgrades.."
"No less than three copies.."
There is a tv show about aquarium building I watch that when they present the tank, they say stuff like "no less than 67 fish" or something like that. Every time I think "you counted the fish when you bought them, you counted them when you put them in the tank. Just say how many you put in there instead of the "no less" guff."
6 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:There is a tv show about aquarium building I watch that when they present the tank, they say stuff like "no less than 67 fish" or something like that. Every time I think "you counted the fish when you bought them, you counted them when you put them in the tank. Just say how many you put in there instead of the "no less" guff."
Is it "Tanked"?