1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

1. if the Silencer fits into a $20 blister

2. whatever else is in the box besides model and cards does not add more cost on their side. What about you?

I hope everyone remembers the ship has to fit in the $20 blister with sufficient padding to protect it in shipping.

Additionally the additional contents like card stock absolutely add cost. A lot more than people would imagine.

It's also worth noting if you go back in time and look at packaging it used to come in a wide range of sizes, almost as if they designed custom packaging for each new product. It would appear they are trying to limit things to 4 packaging form factors (15/20/30-40/Epic). I know from a store perspective stocking this stuff used to look like a nightmare in my local store. Every box was a different size.

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Which is why I'm telling you again and again that linking your value to their prize is irrelevant.
They won't change their prize because of your subjectively percieved value. But you could change your percieved value based on their prize...

I hoped that some more understanding WHY they prized it $30 would do the trick, but 9 pages later you are as resistant as ever.

Neither is necessary. That is the beauty of sales and rabats. My perceived value will be matched some time after the release. Heck, I would argue that the inflated prices on the shadowcaster and batwing gave me quite the bargain, because the sales prices (actual value! ;-)) were far lower than my perceived value and several times below the initial release prices pricing.

So either way it will be pleasant for me. It might be not so pleasant for stores who actually buy expensive stock which does not sell …

On 9/13/2017 at 10:29 AM, VanorDM said:

FFG doesn't bother to read posts like this

And you know this how?

On 9/13/2017 at 10:29 AM, VanorDM said:

If these two ships sell well, and we all know they will, that simply proves they were the proper price.

And if they happen to not sell well, a thread like this will tell them exactly why.

Otherwise they might think it was because people didn't care about those particular ships, or maybe they weren't strong enough in game.

On 9/13/2017 at 0:12 PM, miguelj said:

Look at the Silencer as a new "Imperial Starter Set". It's amazing to me they're actually addressing a long held complaint regarding important upgrades being scattered over a lot of undesired ships and people are flipping their lid over it.

Except by giving the ship this price point, they are making it undesirable to some people. So for those people, they've addressed nothing.

But yes, it's nice to not have to buy a ship from a different faction to get Autothrusters now.

On 9/13/2017 at 3:06 PM, Freeptop said:

When looking at a $30-40 MSRP, bear in mind that isn't what FFG gets. It usually goes something along these lines:

Okay, can people please stop trying to use the development and distribution pipeline as an excuse for this price point? We are ALL AWARE of how all of that stuff works, because it's how EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT IN THE GAME works! The Silencer is not unique in this regard, so stop trying to use it to justify the Silencers unique pricing.

7 hours ago, Kdubb said:

No, it's not. It's the same price as the ships in boxes with similar sizes (IG2000, Uwing).

PLEASE stop fixating on the size of the base as a calling card.

No. Because the base is the only reason those other ships come in boxes in the first place. Without the large base, there's no reason the Silencer needs to be in a box instead of a Punisher sized blister. And without the box, there's no justification for it's price.

5 hours ago, Jetfire said:

It's really the Mouses fault... "how do we design kylo's ship? make it's wings ludicrously long!" And that's how we got the bat shuttle and the silencer.

It should have just been the Avenger, with Ren's painted different because he's a turd.

16 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

No. Because the base is the only reason those other ships come in boxes in the first place. Without the large base, there's no reason the Silencer needs to be in a box instead of a Punisher sized blister. And without the box, there's no justification for it's price.

Until we get the ships in our hands, we DON'T know for sure that the Silencer would fit in a punisher sized blister. And it still comes with more upgrades than the punisher. And for all we know it could come with new cardboard of some kind that doesn't fit in the blister (it could also not of course)

5 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Which by the way is also what I call here percieved value. More copies of a card is a way to justify the higher prize. But the higher prize is definitely not caused by these cards.

I got my wisdom teeth pulled out today, I'm on a cocktail of pain, drugs, hunger, thirst and frustration, so I won't keep going too long

I agree that the extra copies of cards is a possible justification of the cost. Not necessarily sure it will be worth it, but we will see.

4 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Okay, can people please stop trying to use the development and distribution pipeline as an excuse for this price point? We are ALL AWARE of how all of that stuff works, because it's how EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT IN THE GAME works! The Silencer is not unique in this regard, so stop trying to use it to justify the Silencers unique pricing.

You clearly didn't read my entire post before replying, or else you might have seen the final paragraph:
"The TIE Silencer clearly doesn't fit in even the larger of the two blister packs. So they went with the smaller box. They're trying to make that worth it by including a lot more upgrade cards than they would normally would for a small-base ship. They could have tried other approaches, but those would have had their own risks and costs associated with them. So they're taking a risk by putting it in a box instead of a blister. Time will tell if that risk pays off. But I don't think it's a purely money-grabbing move. If they just wanted to do that, they could easily just raise the MSRP for all their products and say that inflation is catching up with them (it's actually kind of amazing this hasn't happened already, to be honest)."

3 minutes ago, Freeptop said:

You clearly didn't read my entire post before replying, or else you might have seen the final paragraph:

That part wasn't directed specifically at you, but at everyone in this thread that thinks they're explaining something that people don't know by trying to tell people how money goes towards development, packaging, shipping, etc. Yours was just the one I happened to quote.

5 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

No. Because the base is the only reason those other ships come in boxes in the first place. Without the large base, there's no reason the Silencer needs to be in a box instead of a Punisher sized blister. And without the box, there's no justification for it's price.

And again, if the Silencer is too large for the clam shell's? And LFL did not allow them to shrink the model to fit? There are a lot of questions about the manufacturing of this miniature that we won't really get to know.

And really, the base size is a marginal cost. The bases are mass produced, not like the minis, but just in bulk.

Based on the cards in the box, I do think FFG was hoping to get it in a $20 clam shell, but clearly, couldn't.

7 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

No. Because the base is the only reason those other ships come in boxes in the first place.

Yeah right, and the larger model has nothing to do with it...

On 2017-09-13 at 9:06 PM, Freeptop said:

When looking at a $30-40 MSRP, bear in mind that isn't what FFG gets. It usually goes something along these lines:

(...)

Nice sum-up.

On 2017-09-13 at 9:06 PM, Freeptop said:

(...)
3. Now here's where many people seem to think that FFG now gets all the money and just has to pay for the cost of supplies. That's actually quite wrong. (...) Oh, and licensing fees. They don't get to ship a game with the Star Wars logo on it for free. Every unit has a fee that goes straight to Lucasfilm. I'll note most gaming companies live on the edge. FFG is better off than most, but they still were in the kind of shape that led them to decide that merging with Asmodee was necessary.(...)

You can get some idea about how large and hefty the license fees is by going to the nearest toy store and comparing prices of Lego StarWars sets with the prices for Lego's own series sets (like City etc, not Marvel).

TBH, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place if Silencer is a large base ship right?

would you rather have silencer as a large base ship though?

If ffg would revise their past releases. I'd really appreciate it if they re-release U-Wing as a small base ship. The cards are enough justification to release it in a small box, in addition to the size being too large to fit inside the $20 blister, of course.

Glad I won't be buying any of the Wave myself.

4 hours ago, Grivoire said:

TBH, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place if Silencer is a large base ship right?

would you rather have silencer as a large base ship though?

If ffg would revise their past releases. I'd really appreciate it if they re-release U-Wing as a small base ship. The cards are enough justification to release it in a small box, in addition to the size being too large to fit inside the $20 blister, of course.

Base size isn't just about ship size but ship maneuverability too. A U-Wing makes zero sense on a small base.

43 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Base size isn't just about ship size but ship maneuverability too. A U-Wing makes zero sense on a small base.

I totally agree on base size reflecting maneuverability too. but this also means IG-2000 should be a small ship base if we go by this reasoning. Plus the fact that they should have been smaller had they follow 1/270 scale faithfully. Also, U-wing should at least be more maneuverable than a HWK-290, which is a small base ship

51 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Base size isn't just about ship size but ship maneuverability too. A U-Wing makes zero sense on a small base.

Woah, U-wing certainly deserves a small base. Look at those pilots in Rogue One threading the needle at Scarif.

2 hours ago, Grivoire said:

I totally agree on base size reflecting maneuverability too. but this also means IG-2000 should be a small ship base if we go by this reasoning. Plus the fact that they should have been smaller had they follow 1/270 scale faithfully.

How do you figure? According to wookieepedia, the IG-2000 is 20 meters long. At 1/270 scale, that's about 7.4 cm, or 74 mm. I don't have a tape measure handy, but a large base is 80mm, and the IG-2000 is just a bit shorter than a large base, so looks pretty close to 74 mm

8 hours ago, Grivoire said:

TBH, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place if Silencer is a large base ship right?

would you rather have silencer as a large base ship though?

If ffg would revise their past releases. I'd really appreciate it if they re-release U-Wing as a small base ship. The cards are enough justification to release it in a small box, in addition to the size being too large to fit inside the $20 blister, of course.

The u-wing is 25m long with the wings forward, which would be 9.25 cm or 92.5 mm, and is a bit longer than the base.

42 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

How do you figure? According to wookieepedia, the IG-2000 is 20 meters long. At 1/270 scale, that's about 7.4 cm, or 74 mm. I don't have a tape measure handy, but a large base is 80mm, and the IG-2000 is just a bit shorter than a large base, so looks pretty close to 74 mm

The u-wing is 25m long with the wings forward, which would be 9.25 cm or 92.5 mm, and is a bit longer than the base.

How wide are the ARC and K-wing?

I honestly don't know why this thread is still going. The ship is $30 for all the reasons that @Freeptop said. The model is clearly big enough to warrant that box. This is not "Pure Exploitation" this is economics.

If they were really trying to exploit us, then why aren't the wave 12 ships having their price raised? Instead, they are 15 15 20. Which is honestly surprising that they were able to get the starwing into the small blister. But I am sure that the nay-sayers will gloss over that and still scream that they are being oppressed.

35 minutes ago, Timathius said:

The model is clearly big enough to warrant that box.

Scale in these promos must be way off.. 'Cause the Silencer looks like it could easily fit in the same box that the K-Wing or Punisher came in.

Was the Punisher box bigger than the other small blisters?

It's useless to argue this further. All it does is keep it on the top of the forum.

16 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

How do you figure? According to wookieepedia, the IG-2000 is 20 meters long. At 1/270 scale, that's about 7.4 cm, or 74 mm. I don't have a tape measure handy, but a large base is 80mm, and the IG-2000 is just a bit shorter than a large base, so looks pretty close to 74 mm

The u-wing is 25m long with the wings forward, which would be 9.25 cm or 92.5 mm, and is a bit longer than the base.

Huh...my bad you're right IG-2000 is 20m. Might have misread the information somewhere.

For the U-wing, the idea of having it in a small base is mostly for gameplay purposes. As it is now U-wing is just a fun ship, and pretty tough to play with competitively. Many here would argue that small base U-wing could see more play.

Remember when all we needed was a 40 dollar starter and a wave of 15 dollar ships? Then they upped the price on us in the very next wave. 30 bucks for the Falcon?! Outrageous! But you had to buy it because, hey, it's the Falcon! They even had Slave One in the same wave, 30 bucks too! Clearly this was a cash grab. Why not 20, or 25? Come on FFG, don't be greedy!

It just gets worse as time goes by. How can you not buy Kylo's sweet looking TIE?! And it's a TIE! Gotta catch em all! They look so pretty all lined up. But still not as pretty as the sexy GUNBOAT.

Oh, by the by. That snippet from the trailer of the Silencer's maneuverability and prowess - if there's more of that in the movie, they sure priced that ship advantageously for something about to sell out...

I don't understand posts like this.

if you think it's too much, don't buy it.

if you want it and you're willing to pay the price, but it.

Surely a Company can charge anything they like for a product. It's up to the consumer then to buy or not.

If FFG see a sales decline they will know they barged too much. If they don't they will know the price is OK.

2 minutes ago, Dave Grant said:

I don't understand posts like this.

if you think it's too much, don't buy it.

if you want it and you're willing to pay the price, but it.

Surely a Company can charge anything they like for a product. It's up to the consumer then to buy or not.

If FFG see a sales decline they will know they barged too much. If they don't they will know the price is OK.

I'm definitely buying it.

And will continue to discuss its existence. On this very forum.

I hope in an awe struck way, when Fel 2.0 hits the meta alongside the Empire's al la cart arsenal packed into one small based gunboat.