I believe that there is a misunderstanding in our last game about what constitutes the conflict and I was looking for clarification. In a game the other night, I just let my challenger have their way with it and let it go.

They were attacking my province with

Akodo Toturi - reaction : after you claim a ring during a military conflict in which this character is participating - resolve that ring's effect.

And I played

Hiruma Abusher - After this character enters play as a defender, choose a character - that character's abilities cannot be triggered during this conflict.

However he mentioned that the conflict was over by the time that Akodo's ability fires so it would do nothing. Glancing at the timing chart however it would seem that the conflict isn't over until everything has been resolved including claiming the ring and bowing characters. So I gave in and my character had no effect ambushing in.

Was my assumption right in that the conflict was not over and Akodo would be affected? Or was the lion player in the right?

4 minutes ago, Bronze said:

I believe that there is a misunderstanding in our last game about what constitutes the conflict and I was looking for clarification. In a game the other night, I just let my challenger have their way with it and let it go.

They were attacking my province with

Akodo Toturi - reaction : after you claim a ring during a military conflict in which this character is participating - resolve that ring's effect.

And I played

Hiruma Abusher - After this character enters play as a defender, choose a character - that character's abilities cannot be triggered during this conflict.

However he mentioned that the conflict was over by the time that Akodo's ability fires so it would do nothing. Glancing at the timing chart however it would seem that the conflict isn't over until everything has been resolved including claiming the ring and bowing characters. So I gave in and my character had no effect ambushing in.

Was my assumption right in that the conflict was not over and Akodo would be affected? Or was the lion player in the right?

You are correct. Toturi triggers after you claim the ring, which is even before the normal ring effect resolves. Conflict doesn't end until everyone goes home bowed, which is after comparing totals, breaking province, claiming ring, and resolving ring effects. For the same reason, you can't use ring of water to straighten your own dude that was just in the conflict.

2 hours ago, Mirith said:

You are correct. Toturi triggers after you claim the ring, which is even before the normal ring effect resolves. Conflict doesn't end until everyone goes home bowed, which is after comparing totals, breaking province, claiming ring, and resolving ring effects. For the same reason, you can't use ring of water to straighten your own dude that was just in the conflict.

Sorry, but in the rules reference on p.19 it says that you resolve the ring's effect and then you claim it, or am I wrong?

6 minutes ago, Mantis731 said:

Sorry, but in the rules reference on p.19 it says that you resolve the ring's effect and then you claim it, or am I wrong?

You're correct.

Whoops, you are right. Sorry. I just remembered the timing for claiming and resolving it to be separate steps, not the order. However, both are before you go home.

You claim the ring in 3.2.7, the conflict ends in 3.3. If you use Hiruma Ambusher on Toturi it will block his ability.

"The conflict ends when I say it ends!"

- Fu Leng

1 minute ago, Ishi Tonu said:

"The conflict ends when I say it ends!"

- Fu Leng

My other thought was "It never ends... it just keeps going."

I just kind of pictured Fu Leng being like Death in "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey."

When Death makes B&T play games for their lives and Death keeps losing and makes it best of 3, then best of 5....

B&T: "Best of 7?"

Death: "You're **** right!"

Lol, I love that part.