Question About Green Dice

By Boom Owl, in X-Wing

Quick question for the math folks. Which Ship will survive longer when taking consecutive 3 dice TL + Focus modified attacks?

A ship with 1 green, 1 focus, and 10 HP

or

A ship with 3 greens, 1 focus, and 5 HP

Assuming focus for def every other attack.

Edited by Boom Owl

The first, you will need 5 shoots to kill the first ship, 4 for the second (statisticaly with lots and lots of events, actually there are not much diference, if the attacks are only modified by focus OR TL, instead of both, the advantage is for the second ship; with mixed good attacks both are even more equaled).

Edited by Draconis Hegemonia

That's not how my maths read it Draconis. 3 agility dice takes .98 damage per shot on average, 1 agility die takes 2.18, so 1 agility die takes 5 shots on average to kill, 3 dice takes 6 shots. But this doesn't account for whether these shots are all in the same round, at which point it becomes a lot more difficult to judge, because a lot depends on whether the focus token gets spent in the first shot or not - expected damage changes to 2.43 for 1 die, but almost doubles to 1.7 for 3 dice.

3, ft vs 3, f

0 0.32446956634521484
1 0.4061293601989746
2 0.22594928741455078
3 0.043451786041259766
Expected Damage 0.9883832931518555
Tokenless Defender 0.5563545227050781
Crit Chance 0.2784159779548645
Expected Crits 0.29817044734954834
Chance to Keep
Atk. TL 0.421875
Atk. Focus 0.324951171875
Def. Focus 0.4436454772949219

3, ft vs 1, f

0 0.007110595703125
1 0.10711669921875
2 0.5767822265625
3 0.308990478515625
Expected Damage 2.187652587890625
Tokenless Defender 0.24993896484375
Crit Chance 0.3981781005859375
Expected Crits 0.4623603820800781
Chance to Keep
Atk. TL 0.421875
Atk. Focus 0.324951171875
Def. Focus 0.75006103515625
Edited by thespaceinvader

It's already been calculated that in a mirror where all the ships get to shoot/have range, TLT Y-wings will in average last longer than TLT Aggressors. That doesn't necessarily mean that Y-wings are the better TLT platform.

38 minutes ago, tortugatron said:

It's already been calculated that in a mirror where all the ships get to shoot/have range, TLT Y-wings will in average last longer than TLT Aggressors. That doesn't necessarily mean that Y-wings are the better TLT platform.

So... TLT Y-wings take longer to kill Y-wings than aggressors take to kill aggressors? That doesn't seem relevant to the discussion, or at all, really.

As in if you put 4 TLT Y Wings versus 4 TLT aggressors, the Y Wings win.

Maybe interesting to note that 3 attacks in the same turn have an expected damage of 3.5 against the 3agi ship, and 6.7 against the 1agi ship

This takes the chance to keep the defensive focus into account.

That also means: 2 rounds of shooting for both ships (IF all can shoot fully modified in both turns)

I think I made a small error: should be 3.93 and 6.73, but the point remains the same

Edited by GreenDragoon
4 hours ago, Polaritie said:

So... TLT Y-wings take longer to kill Y-wings than aggressors take to kill aggressors? That doesn't seem relevant to the discussion, or at all, really.

I would call 4 TLTs vs 4 TLTs a mirror regardless of the platform.

Edited by tortugatron