Just now, Extropia said:

True. Their sales were struggling, but due to some savvy cost cutting and international closures their bottomline never really got too painful. Sales are now far from struggling, and they are looking strong.

I too am curious about AoS, since 8th is close to "40K AoS" in rules.

Yeah. Honestly, and don't quote me on this, I see the two merging at some point. They've already proven recently that they don't mind completely re-ordering the fluff. Now that there's time/warp bubbles in AoS and time/warp bubbles in the 40K galaxy, I could definitely see them combining the two and reducing their effort at keeping 2 game systems running simultaneously. I mean it's not like they still have an old world to upset.

8 minutes ago, Zeelobby said:

And I'm saying all of this not being a huge fan of GW at all, but they're definitely going nowhere for a long long time.

True, and my point really was that pretty much all the damage to GW's bottom line was due to GW.

Just now, VanorDM said:

True, and my point really was that pretty much all the damage to GW's bottom line was due to GW.

Can't argue with that. Along with their anti-consumer practices, they fired many of the developers and writers who made their systems so popular (several of my friends fathers were part of that exodus). They've definitely improved their communications, and have seemed to poured money into promotion/hype, and are at least tweaking rules that are broken/abused, so i'm sure it'll pay off.

3 minutes ago, VanorDM said:

True, and my point really was that pretty much all the damage to GW's bottom line was due to GW.

Yep, no denying that one. The last CEO was poison.

7 minutes ago, Extropia said:

Yep, no denying that one. The last CEO was poison.

Yeah. I blame a lot of it on being publicly traded. One of my major hesitations with anything "collectible" falling under the Asmodee banner. When your highest priority is making share holders happy, you open up many doors for abusing consumers. It opens up current GW practices like raising prices due to falling sales (which in turn reduces sales, requiring raising prices, etc.). I mean that's why they brought that CEO in, because he knew how to run a "business". Problem is, when it comes to gaming, you really have to have some heart in the game. It definitely shows. While FFG is still under a publicly traded banner, you can see that the designers really know their games and play them.

This is a miniatures game. If $5 is a big problem for you, this is not the game for you.

I dont can see where GW is more expensive than FFG!
I pay 12 Euro for a three man Stormtrooperpack! If I wont 9 i have to pay 36 Euro and 40 if I want 10. The FFG IA Models have all the same pose and are medium sculpting standards!

A ten man SpaceMarine Pack from GW costs me 35 Euro! I can make different poses and the sculpting standards from gw are very high. And even if I have all 10 minis clued together there will be many extra material for making other things in the box! From GW I get much more stuff for my bucks!

49 minutes ago, Chrisael said:

I dont can see where GW is more expensive than FFG!
I pay 12 Euro for a three man Stormtrooperpack! If I wont 9 i have to pay 36 Euro and 40 if I want 10. The FFG IA Models have all the same pose and are medium sculpting standards!

A ten man SpaceMarine Pack from GW costs me 35 Euro! I can make different poses and the sculpting standards from gw are very high. And even if I have all 10 minis clued together there will be many extra material for making other things in the box! From GW I get much more stuff for my bucks!

I'm gonna take a wild stab and say your in Europe. Just like GW is more expensive here (even though the USD and GBP are very close), the same holds true for FFG models abroad (especially considering VAT and other taxes paid for goods imported to Europe). That ignored, that pack includes cards, rules and game content. The space marines dont (and require an additional book to play) that's also ignoring that one is a board game while the other is a tabletop wargame. I don't know, just looking at the differences, this is very apples oranges here.

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I pay 12 Euro for a three man Stormtrooperpack!

You must be talking about IA packs, because with Legion it's 7 stormtroopers not 3.

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A ten man SpaceMarine Pack from GW costs me 35 Euro!

And a 7 Stormtrooper pack will cost you €21.

So €35 for 10 models means €3.5 per model. €21 for 7 Stormtroopers means it's €3 per model. But more to the point, it will cost a lot more to build a list for 40k then it does for Legion.

I really appreciate the RWM system. In each case when you buy an expansion, you’re not just buying the miniatures. You’re buying a game expansion.

This is most apparent where with a RWM commander you’re getting beside the figure: a Unit card, upgrade cards, both character specific and useable by anyone, and a new mission card, a new deployment card, and a new piece of terrain.

As any gamer can tell you, at times a new piece of terrain, or mission can do more for the game than a new model can.

also how much will a 800 point SW:L army cost Vs. a 2000 pt. 40K army?
As stated earlier the 40K heroes are usually $30-$`100.

SW: L will be cheaper than 40k.

2 minutes ago, Hidatom said:

also how much will a 800 point SW:L army cost Vs. a 2000 pt. 40K army?
As stated earlier the 40K heroes are usually $30-$`100.

SW: L will be cheaper than 40k.

People just like to complain. Either that or the ffg community is made up of mostly boardgamers because we got the same argument for runewars tmg with the same responses.

Yeah. It's crazy how perspective changes things. Having come from 15+ years of GW games, every other system seems insanely cheaper.

Runewars is $25 for 2 stands of 8 figures or 4 Calvary and 2 stands, or 2 large units and 2 trays, a maneuver dial, unit card and upgrades, and tokens. The heroes are the same cost with 2 different models.

So I see legion going about the same or less.

1 hour ago, Orcdruid said:

Either that or the ffg community is made up of mostly boardgamers because we got the same argument for runewars tmg with the same responses.

I don't disagree but it's interesting to note that if you wanted to get Settlers of Catan and all the expansions, it would cost a bit over $375. That's for the base game and all 4 expansions, plus the 5-6 players version of each.

2 hours ago, Orcdruid said:

People just like to complain. Either that or the ffg community is made up of mostly boardgamers because we got the same argument for runewars tmg with the same responses.

Even from a miniature gamer background, Runewars is on the expensive side. Just look into how much you would have to pay for one of the spearmen or reanimate deathstars. Twelve bases when you only get 4 bases in the core set and 2 additional bases per $25 expansion. Plus possibly wanting another couple of smaller units out there. Granted, this is a hobby, but that is still pretty steep.

2 hours ago, VanorDM said:

I don't disagree but it's interesting to note that if you wanted to get Settlers of Catan and all the expansions, it would cost a bit over $375. That's for the base game and all 4 expansions, plus the 5-6 players version of each.

I'm really hoping this game has way more depth than Settlers though.

2 hours ago, DarkTemplars said:

Even from a miniature gamer background, Runewars is on the expensive side. Just look into how much you would have to pay for one of the spearmen or reanimate deathstars. Twelve bases when you only get 4 bases in the core set and 2 additional bases per $25 expansion. Plus possibly wanting another couple of smaller units out there. Granted, this is a hobby, but that is still pretty steep.

This is definitely true. I'd argue that going for any deathstar or spamstar usually involves spending inordinate amounts of money in any system. I mean heck, in WMH running Mad Dog spam was $245 for just the Mad Dogs (a third of the force). In 40K, running 12 assassins is $300, and is again is only a fraction of the force. I think as far as tabletop war games go, RW is still pretty reasonable, and taking a well-rounded army (which can be made up of multiple starters) is always the most financially sane path.

Sure there are plenty of other systems like Malifaux, Bushido, Guild Ball, etc., but those aren't really on the same scale.

4 minutes ago, Zeelobby said:

I'm really hoping this game has way more depth than Settlers though.

I think that's likely But my point was that to get all the expansions for Settlers is actually quite expensive.

For the same price, and taking some assumptions on what Legion will cost...

A core set, plus 1 of every expansion will cost $210. Even if you get a 2nd core you're still only at $300.

4 minutes ago, Zeelobby said:

This is definitely true. I'd argue that going for any deathstar or spamstar usually involves spending inordinate amounts of money in any system.

Yeah if you wanted to do a Terminator list for 40k, it would be $500 or more, throw in land raiders for them all and it's going to be $750 or higher.