please FFG make units for this game 19.99 or lower.

Runewars units are 25.00 and every time I think about a cool new unit from rune wars I think (oh if I want two of those so I can take some upgrades it's going. to be $50-$100 dollars.

They haven't announced a price point, but in Runewars the $25 units gives you 4 cavalry, 8 infantry, 2 character and 1-2 monster type models. Now, maybe I have missed the announcement of cost, but it would seem that as our units will probably be smaller we may get a slightly lower price like the $20 and get 6 infantry in a box.

6 minutes ago, Amanal said:

They haven't announced a price point, but in Runewars the $25 units gives you 4 cavalry, 8 infantry, 2 character and 1-2 monster type models. Now, maybe I have missed the announcement of cost, but it would seem that as our units will probably be smaller we may get a slightly lower price like the $20 and get 6 infantry in a box.

you may get 5-8 depending on unit.

From what i understand the base units from core is 5, with 3 possible model upgrades (an extra basic and option of multiple special weaponry).

As for price point i'd much rather runewars style pricing over some of ffg's competitors (some of which ask op's requested price point for a single model!)

from what I have seen base units are 4 guys. who knows if upgrade models will be packed in with them.

3 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

from what I have seen base units are 4 guys. who knows if upgrade models will be packed in with them.

So you have seen the expansions already?

the unit cards we have seen say four figures.

figure count is the number under the triangle.

I think I heard Alex Davy say in team covenant video something like 7 storm troopers for $25.

They will come with enough for you to max out the squad.

1 hour ago, poke450 said:

I think I heard Alex Davy say in team covenant video something like 7 storm troopers for $25.

That was indeed he price mentioned at GenCon, and I also expect the boxes to come with the models for a full unit....definitely not just the minimum squad size.

Maybe it won't be as bad with legion. With RuneWars I start thinking about the multiples I need to buy to have a functional unit. Here they look pretty self contained.

16 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

Maybe it won't be as bad with legion. With RuneWars I start thinking about the multiples I need to buy to have a functional unit. Here they look pretty self contained.

I think that's a big difference. Rune Wars you don't buy a unit....you buy X amount of bases, which may or may not form a full unit (and if not, you need multiples as you say).

It appears that Legion units will be self contained, at least in general and from what we've seen so far. Which should make it much easier to buy in small chunks.

A Runewars expansion is (all announced and releases expansions so far) always a playable unit. You don't need more. You only need more if you want another composition of that unit (mostly just more trays). So Runewars gives you more room for individual units. In Legion you can (at the moment) only change the units composition with an extra mini and/or one out of 2 extra weapon minis.

Both systems give you a playable unit in a box, but differ in the way you can utilize them.

10 hours ago, TylerTT said:

please FFG make units for this game 19.99 or lower.

Runewars units are 25.00 and every time I think about a cool new unit from rune wars I think (oh if I want two of those so I can take some upgrades it's going. to be $50-$100 dollars.

If a box is $25 and you want two of them, you're looking at $50... not $50-$100. Call a duck a duck. Also, if $5 per unit ($10 for two) is preventing you from making purchases, look at your other spending habits. Do you eat fast food? Cutting out fast food once a week will save you ~$7 a week. That's $28 a month. That's a Runewars expansion box for "free" just by changing where you eat. Eating out burns through more money than you'd think.

I'd also agree that you're not likely to need more than one expansion box to field a basic unit. The Stormtroopers expansion box will make a full sized Stormtroopers unit. Now, I say basic because I'm fully expecting to see a "Stormtroopers Upgrade" box or something similar along the lines of the Daqan/Waiqar Infantry Command boxes. The core box has two options (HH-12 and DLT-19) for the Stormtrooper Specialist slot. It has only one option for the Infantry slot (an extra basic dude). I could see a $20 box with upgrade cards and new mini options for the Infantry and Specialist slots. Imagine being able to add an Imperial Officer to a Stormtroopers unit via the Infantry slot. Maybe the Imperial Officer causes the unit to automatically get a command token, but otherwise is inferior to a Stormtrooper in most ways.

Lastly, the pricing is actually extremely reasonable compared to other systems. A basic Warhammer 40k Space Marines Tactical Squad is probably the closest analog to the Stormtroopers unit. It's $40 for a unit that will make up about 8-10% of your army. Stormtroopers will be $25 for a unit that will make up 10-12% of your army. That's better in my book. These sorts of games can be expensive, but Legion isn't close to the most expensive of the lot.

The evil mouse will demand its share... I would be surprised if Legion boxes were cheaper...

Having a $25 blister that is a fully playable unit (4-5 standard troopers + 1-2 specials + upgrades) is reasonable.
remember that the point level is 800 which is ~4-6 troops, 2-4 support and 1-2 leaders.

13 minutes ago, Hidatom said:

Having a $25 blister that is a fully playable unit (4-5 standard troopers + 1-2 specials + upgrades) is reasonable.
remember that the point level is 800 which is ~4-6 troops, 2-4 support and 1-2 leaders.

800 points is actually...

• 1-2 Commanders
• 3-6 Corps
• 0-3 Support
• 0-3 Special Forces
• 0-2 Heavy

To further illustrate the value in this core box versus something like Warhammer 40k, let's look at a list built entirely out of the contents of two core boxes.

• Imperials
  • Darth Vader w/Force Push, Force Reflexes and Saber Throw
  • Stormtroopers w/Targeting Scope, Concussion Grenades, DLT-19 and an Extra Trooper
  • Stormtroopers w/Targeting Scope, DLT-19 and an Extra Trooper
  • Stormtroopers w/Targeting Scope, HH-12 and an Extra Trooper
  • Stormtroopers w/Targeting Scope, HH-12 and an Extra Trooper
  • 74-Z Speeder Bikes w/Long Range Comms
  • 74-Z Speeder Bikes w/Long Range Comms
  • 29 models; 800 Points Total

That's a $180 investment and gives you everything you need to play a tournament legal army PLUS enough Rebels to ALMOST build a second tournament legal army. Realistically, you'd want to buy a $25 Rebel Troopers box to pad the Rebels up to 800 points. So, we'll call it $205 for two full, likely competitive, tournament legal armies and all the rules, tokens, dice, etc. that you need to play.

What does $205 get you in the 40k world? Not enough to field a single, "standard sized" (2000 points), tournament legal army. I think the best you can do is severely limit yourself in faction choice (eliminate 26 out of 28 choices), exploit the starter boxes for bundle value and put together two legal lists with full, up to date rules for about $360 (2x Dark Imperium Starter + Imperial 1 Index + Chaos Index). Both lists would be instantly curb stomped in pretty much any competitive environment. Realistically, you'll be spending more like $500+ for a single army along with its rules.

Legion is clearly the cheaper option.

"800 points is actually...

• 1-2 Commanders
• 3-6 Corps
• 0-3 Support
• 0-3 Special Forces
• 0-2 Heavy"
  
  I was using what we currently have available. No spec ops, no heavies. Probably not more than one leader (but maybe there is an upgrade cards for that). 2 core sets gets you FOUR troops units and 2-4 support.

5 minutes ago, Hidatom said:

"800 points is actually...

• 1-2 Commanders
• 3-6 Corps
• 0-3 Support
• 0-3 Special Forces
• 0-2 Heavy"
  
  I was using what we currently have available. No spec ops, no heavies. Probably not more than one leader (but maybe there is an upgrade cards for that). 2 core sets gets you FOUR troops units and 2-4 support.

Gotcha. I was clarifying for anyone reading who may have misunderstood. " 4-6 troops, 2-4 support and 1-2 leaders" looks like a force organization chart and this is a new game.

I meant to say "two or more" copies of a rune Wars unit in my op. But thanks for being pedantic and insulting.

In Rune Wars you often need large units to take more intresting upgrades. So you are instantly looking at 1-4 x of an expansion. I'm not saying this is a bad paractice I actually think it is quite clever and good. It's the price I have a problem with.

we are used to adding 25 very easily thanks to quarters. Everyone's price sensitivity is different but there are thresholds of price regardless. The best prices tend to avoid the easy math.

You may notice that FFG avoids that $25 price point very well in its x-wing line.

$15

$20

$30+

42 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

I meant to say "two or more" copies of a rune Wars unit in my op. But thanks for being pedantic and insulting.

In Rune Wars you often need large units to take more intresting upgrades. So you are instantly looking at 1-4 x of an expansion. I'm not saying this is a bad paractice I actually think it is quite clever and good. It's the price I have a problem with.

we are used to adding 25 very easily thanks to quarters. Everyone's price sensitivity is different but there are thresholds of price regardless. The best prices tend to avoid the easy math.

You may notice that FFG avoids that $25 price point very well in its x-wing line.

$15

$20

$30+

To be clear, you think that $20 and $30 are fine prices, but that $25 conjures up some sort of negative reaction based on the fact that there is a 25 cent coin? This is the first time I've ever heard this argument.

I also seriously doubt that the X-Wing pricing is designed to avoid the number 25...

Small bases are $15. Large bases cost twice what a small base does. Particularly large ships (e.g. Punisher/Shadow Caster) add 1/3 to the cost. Anything priced at $45 or more gets a $5 discount. That covers all of the non-Epic ships in X-Wing with no exceptions. There's no need for a $25 price point.

1 hour ago, TylerTT said:

we are used to adding 25 very easily thanks to quarters. Everyone's price sensitivity is different but there are thresholds of price regardless. The best prices tend to avoid the easy math.

You may notice that FFG avoids that $25 price point very well in its x-wing line.

$15

$20

$30+

This is why I sigh every time I hear kids say they'll never use math...

Retail pricing strategies are an old thing but not exactly common knowledge. I don't know much but the general idea is to avoid easy math and avoid situations where people would just as likely pay more

Like pricing a board game at $37 dollars. you will likely sell just as many copies at 39.99 as you would at 37.00 so if you price a game at 37.00 you are just leaving 3 dollars on the table.

you will notice FFG is trying a new price point with the legion core set $90 I think it's a great!

25 is not a great price point.

Only semi related, but is there any word on how "heros" or commanders will be sold? The Han Solo, Chewbacca, Lando, Palpatine, Veers, etc type units. I wasnt a huge fan of the IA 2 packs, and it has nothing to do with price. I'd either like single units or hero packs with 4 or 5.

3 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

Retail pricing strategies are an old thing but not exactly common knowledge. I don't know much but the general idea is to avoid easy math and avoid situations where people would just as likely pay more

Like pricing a board game at $37 dollars. you will likely sell just as many copies at 39.99 as you would at 37.00 so if you price a game at 37.00 you are just leaving 3 dollars on the table.

you will notice FFG is trying a new price point with the legion core set $90 I think it's a great!

25 is not a great price point.

Yes ... LOTS of psychology going on with pricing. Not just retail. Use these concepts daily. Certain numbers used. Others avoided. It works. Works well.

And this is Disney.

Want you to see the price. Think it is fair. Feel good about it. Buy it. Positive experience. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Meanwhile, yeah, they are raking and purposely using certain numbers to drive your logically/emotionally response. They are not a non-profit nor is FFG.

But, if you invest $90 on a game that keeps you occupied for HOURS and stops you from buying /doing other disposable income related stuff in the process, is it not worth it?

From a sales question perspective ...if you spent $37 on an item for the sake of entertainment that could/would/did engage you in entertainment for "x" period of time with self/friends, then would you not pay $41 for something similar that is slightly enhanced? Or, if you had the chance to purchase a pair of items with the same ROI at $19 each, would you not want to know about it?

They have this dialed in ...

My guess is they are taking slight hit on the immediate profits from the starting sets. They understand how much revenue is coming in with pre-orders. Going into Q4/Q1 they have known income. Base future release/production/manufacturing around that, which will help them set fees with suppliers and, then, the retail prices follow. Sustained purchases of the new releases is where they are going to bank.

They are smart ...

I am new to the hobby. This game saw me buy paints, glue, that green matt thing everyone has, an Exacto ... months before I even have a game. Oh, did a pre-order too. I have spent $120-$130 all-in and the product does not arrive until some point between January-March.

They already know the true hobbyist is coming onboard. Me ... the casual X-wing guy that was always curious about a game like WH40K but would not take plunge ... fit the target audience. This is now and will continue to be aggressively priced to attract/hold someone like me and pull income to/from a true hobbyist, who is traditionally a WH40K sort of person.

Again ... if I had something cool for you at $90 that would give you hours and hours of engagement/fun, which would equate to pennies per hour over time in cost, you would not be open to hearing about it?

I find the $90 super fair for the amount of gear you get

1 hour ago, Dash Two said:

... , that green matt thing everyone has, ...

What is that "green matt thing?" I do see it in all the videos, but not sure exactly what I'm looking for if I decide to get one.