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56 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

So the original leaker was right on 3 counts, wrong on 3 others. original leaker was absolutely correct about slam and jumps, and i was wrong.

they obviously werent completely making it up, though they oversold their actual knowledge. I still think they were immature and harmful to the community, but I do not think they are a liar and apologize for calling them one.

And everyone else you called a liar?

8 hours ago, Warlon said:

Don't speak of PGS! You will summon him back!

It took the combined efforts of the X wing forums and Reddit to finally take him down! Do not dishonor their sacrifices by bringing him back to this plane of existence!

"fear of a name is stupid"- dumbledore

3 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

"fear of a name is stupid"- dumbledore

And "Stupid" is a name...

(sometimes)

On 10/28/2017 at 3:38 PM, Vontoothskie said:

So the original leaker was right on 3 counts, wrong on 3 others. original leaker was absolutely correct about slam and jumps, and i was wrong.

they obviously werent completely making it up, though they oversold their actual knowledge. I still think they were immature and harmful to the community, but I do not think they are a liar and apologize for calling them one.

Or, you know, they weren’t finished testing when he spoiled what he knew. And the guy who told him probably either didnt have all the info or didnt tell him.

I bet the Biggs nerf wasn't under discussion at the time, and once the FAQ got leaked the devs and play testers started looking into that as well (since FSR and Ego Cubed were just then blowing up). The JMK nerf was still half baked and they ended up settling in the last couple months on the more elegant version that finally came out. That is just a guess though!

4 hours ago, sozin said:

I bet the Biggs nerf wasn't under discussion at the time, and once the FAQ got leaked the devs and play testers started looking into that as well (since FSR and Ego Cubed were just then blowing up). The JMK nerf was still half baked and they ended up settling in the last couple months on the more elegant version that finally came out. That is just a guess though!

What was the more elegant part? It seems like the nerf was more or less as predicted.

I think they probably had a raft of Biggs nerf ideas worked out, given how long he's been around. They were just waiting for it to be clear they had to pull the trigger on one of them.

12 hours ago, sozin said:

I bet the Biggs nerf wasn't under discussion at the time, and once the FAQ got leaked the devs and play testers started looking into that as well (since FSR and Ego Cubed were just then blowing up).

I'm not so sure, but if it turns out that you're right then my confidence in FFG's competence will take a big hit, because I can't see a play tester or designer not trying out a pilot ability like Lowhhrick's and an EPT like Selflessness without realizing what a massive PITA it is to deal with when combined with Biggs (along with Rex and a ship with DTF). On the other hand if I start off with the hypothesis that the play testers are, on average, at least OK at what they do (and that the designers listen to their input) then a Biggs nerf had to have been in the works and it was taken into account during testing.

2 minutes ago, darthlurker said:

I'm not so sure, but if it turns out that you're right then my confidence in FFG's competence will take a big hit, because I can't see a play tester or designer not trying out a pilot ability like Lowhhrick's and an EPT like Selflessness without realizing what a massive PITA it is to deal with when combined with Biggs (along with Rex and a ship with DTF). On the other hand if I start off with the hypothesis that the play testers are, on average, at least OK at what they do (and that the designers listen to their input) then a Biggs nerf had to have been in the works and it was taken into account during testing.

In my blog about the FAQ I suggest that they had it all tested and worked out and the playtesters said you had to nerf Biggs if Lowhhrick was coming but the developers said "We'll wait and see what happens". That would make it no coincidence that Paul Heaver jumped on Biggs/Lowhhrick from Day 1 and made sure the combo got rammed down FFG's throat in a way they couldn't ignore.

On 10/28/2017 at 2:38 PM, Vontoothskie said:

So the original leaker was right on 3 counts, wrong on 3 others. original leaker was absolutely correct about slam and jumps, and i was wrong.

they obviously werent completely making it up, though they oversold their actual knowledge. I still think they were immature and harmful to the community, but I do not think they are a liar and apologize for calling them one.

Well done, all jokes aside- we'll stop ribbing you now. I'm of the inclination that the leak was probably a really early stage incarnation of nerfs- thus the incomplete nature of them. I'll agree that it probably didn't help the game out- it led to a lot of finger pointing and rampant speculation. However, it might have helped in that it showed how badly the game needed an FAQ and what a bad shape the game was in.

On ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 4:54 PM, Warlon said:

Don't speak of PGS! You will summon him back!

It took the combined efforts of the X wing forums and Reddit to finally take him down! Do not dishonor their sacrifices by bringing him back to this plane of existence!

So I guess in the sequel ( Internet Forums II: Saltpocalypse Now ) our heroes will have to come up with an entirely new way to banish him after he arises again!

(This will continue on for two or three additional sequels, until the original manner of defeat is all but forgotten, and it can be triumphantly referenced in a future storyline in a, "Hey, didn't this work one time before? Let's try it again!" sort of moment!)

((Also, casting now open for Internet Forums III: Nerf and Nothing !)

2 hours ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

Well done, all jokes aside- we'll stop ribbing you now.

Woah, why? He insulted 20 people then very carefully only apologised to one of them , implying he still thought the others were liars.

He needs to do a **** of a lot better.

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Vontoothskie said:

So the original leaker was right on 3 counts, wrong on 3 others. original leaker was absolutely correct about slam and jumps, and i was wrong.

they obviously werent completely making it up, though they oversold their actual knowledge. I still think they were immature and harmful to the community, but I do not think they are a liar and apologize for calling them one.

9 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Woah, why? He insulted 20 people then very carefully only apologised to one of them , implying he still thought the others were liars.

He needs to do a **** of a lot better.

It's an apology on the internet, man. I'm not sure it gets any better.

8 minutes ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

It's an apology on the internet, man. I'm not sure it gets any better.

Well, on the one hand I don't care what he says either way because my skin's so thick I'm harder to hurt than a fully-tokened Soontir. I know what I know whether he says I do or not.

But don't go handing out mad props to the guy for effectively doubling down on being a prick.

14 hours ago, Reiver said:

What was the more elegant part? It seems like the nerf was more or less as predicted.

It removed both torpedo slots (original leak I believe said only 1), and didn't give anything back with the punishing one title like the leak said it would. Personally, I think the punishing one should remove the crew slot and give you an astromech similar to the havoc title (since dengar modified the punishing one with the astromech so he wouldn't need another crew)

2 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

It removed both torpedo slots (original leak I believe said only 1), and didn't give anything back with the punishing one title like the leak said it would. Personally, I think the punishing one should remove the crew slot and give you an astromech similar to the havoc title (since dengar modified the punishing one with the astromech so he wouldn't need another crew)

While I'm not sure I call that 'elegant', I do get your meaning.

I do agree with your idea on the astromech-for-crew, though in my proposal, it's at least optional .

Just now, Reiver said:

While I'm not sure I call that 'elegant', I do get your meaning.

I do agree with your idea on the astromech-for-crew, though in my proposal, it's at least optional .

I wasn't the one that called it elegant, I was mostly just responding to the "more or less as predicted" :P. I'd be okay with choosing crew or astro as well. The astro instead of crew (as a requirement instead of a choice) would actually be more of a nerf to dengar than losing the astro slot was most likely (no more crew slot for K4 security droid), but would at least let the ship use astromech upgrades again since it comes with them in the box. Could give 1 torpedo slot back as well probably with teht title and not be a problem.