48 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Hm. I'm not following the logic here.

If the Reds are able to convert another player, there's a reasonable chance that they win. So, based on that, we ought to try and kill one of theirs to prevent a win. (At least, those of us who are still town. That's me and Mad, as far as I can tell. And possibly Dras and Caldias if my thoughts on vigilantes being ascetic pan out)

On the other hand, the cult leader's role passing on to a second in command would be totally unbalanced. I'm inclined to view that as a lie Toad's been telling. Which militates towards lynching Toad. I could easily see him trying to play up the threat of the other factions because he's down on his luck and wanting town support to try and get back on his feet.

No question he'll sell the town out if we leave him alone long enough.

The only question is: is it the best move?

If he's not lying, and the other factions still have conversion capabilities, then this game was over for town before it even started. Still, if we're playing for our win con as it stands right now, and not as it might change to in the future, our best bet is to try and lynch a member of the faction that's ahead. Toad is the least of our worries in this scenario, because the other factions are vying for control and about to win.

If he is lying, then the other factions don't have a conversion anymore, and our best bet is to get rid of the faction that can still convert.

In that case, I'm going to try and be an optimist.

##vote Toad

If there is a chance, this is our best way of finding it. If there's not a chance, what we do today doesn't matter.

I admire your optimism Oni... but now is the time to be a pragmatist...

if you eliminate me you do take out a threat... ONE threat that is out in the open... but you leave behind TWO threats that are hiding and will rebuild themselves

Fundamentally, I've already given up if the cult conversion power passes to a second in command after killing the leader. Not worth playing at that point. At least until I get converted by a cult. Then I actually have a chance to achieve my win con.

In order to participate meaningfully, I have to assume that you are lying about the conversion passing on in order to inflate the threat of the other factions vis-a-vis yourself.

I'm deliberately not engaging in the other possibilities, because my win con is literally unachievable under those circumstances, and so what I do doesn't matter.

So I'm making the only choice that could possibly matter for a town - aligned fisherman.

Fair enough...

2 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Fundamentally, I've already given up if the cult conversion power passes to a second in command after killing the leader. Not worth playing at that point. At least until I get converted by a cult. Then I actually have a chance to achieve my win con.

In order to participate meaningfully, I have to assume that you are lying about the conversion passing on in order to inflate the threat of the other factions vis-a-vis yourself.

I'm deliberately not engaging in the other possibilities, because my win con is literally unachievable under those circumstances, and so what I do doesn't matter.

So I'm making the only choice that could possibly matter for a town - aligned fisherman.

Yeah I pretty much agree with this, and realize that if my premise is that TheToad is lying, lynching Pod is a bad idea.

##unvote

##Vote TheToad

I know what I'm asking is hard for you guys to accept but it is the truth... the cult leader role passes on... its unbalanced as EFF which is why I came forward

but you guys want to find it out the hard way...

Well. Lets speed this along then.

##unvote

##vote thetoad

Whelp I believe that's hammer @Visovics... thank goodness I don't have to participate in the shitstorm that is about to ensue...

Im good with not getting Vig'd in my sleep, and lynching liars.

@Visovicsmight be asleep. School night

10 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

The only way I could be more precise is by copy-pasting the nightly PM, and as wonderful as it would be to be modkilled and be done, I'm not taking that way out just yet.

I don't want you to be exact, I just wanted all the relevant information within a few pages This "immume" thing everyone claims to be a ghing but nobody knows about for a fact concernes me.

Broba didn't have any ability that would indicate him being untargrtable. Yet it seems he was. But meanwhile Gink wasn't that's why he could be turned.

Is there a secret house role we don't know about?

With the perfect shot lined up, I decided to take a deep breath.

This was not who I came after.

Then, I was merely told I was unsuccessful.

Scrarch that above. I missed almost a whole page of convo.

8 hours ago, TheToad said:

Whelp I believe that's hammer @Visovics... thank goodness I don't have to participate in the shitstorm that is about to ensue...

From my count you are at L-1

Since on Mobile I can't cross names out, the bold names are crossed out

10 players alive, 6 to hammer

1-@Madaghmire (0) -

2-@Drasnighta(0) -

3-@Norell(0) - Onidsen, TheToad,

4-@Caldias(4) - Drasnighta, Madaghmire, TheToad, Gnips, PodRacer

5-@GhostofNobodyInParticular(0) -

6-@PodRacer (0) - Madaghmire, CaribbeanNinja

7-@JJs Juggernaut(1) - PodRacer

8-@Onidsen(0) -

9-@TheToad(5) - Caldias, JJsJuggernaut, Madaghmire, Cninj, PodRacer, Onidsen, Cninj, Madaghmire

10-@CaribbeanNinja(0) -

And thus, with but a merest flurry of keys, I potentially sign my own death warrant. For if Calidas is already a Cultist, one of the Towners to be shot is myself.

But, it progresses things.

##Vote TheToad.

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

Since on Mobile I can't cross names out, the bold names are crossed out

10 players alive, 6 to hammer

1-@Madaghmire (0) -

2-@Drasnighta(0) -

3-@Norell(0) - Onidsen, TheToad,

4-@Caldias(4) - Drasnighta, Madaghmire, TheToad, Gnips, PodRacer

5-@GhostofNobodyInParticular(0) -

6-@PodRacer (0) - Madaghmire, CaribbeanNinja

7-@JJs Juggernaut(1) - PodRacer

8-@Onidsen(0) -

9-@TheToad(5) - Caldias, JJsJuggernaut, Madaghmire, Cninj, PodRacer, Onidsen, Cninj, Madaghmire

10-@CaribbeanNinja(0) -

Mad is voting twice.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Mad is voting twice.

Again.

3 hours ago, Visovics said:

Since on Mobile I can't cross names out, the bold names are crossed out

10 players alive, 6 to hammer

1-@Madaghmire (0) -

2-@Drasnighta(0) -

3-@Norell(0) - Onidsen, TheToad,

4-@Caldias(4) - Drasnighta, Madaghmire, TheToad, Gnips, PodRacer

5-@GhostofNobodyInParticular(0) -

6-@PodRacer (0) - Madaghmire, CaribbeanNinja

7-@JJs Juggernaut(1) - PodRacer

8-@Onidsen(0) -

9-@TheToad(5) - Caldias, JJsJuggernaut, Madaghmire, Cninj, PodRacer, Onidsen, Cninj, Madaghmire

10-@CaribbeanNinja(0) -

Actually, he's voting thrice.

By my count, it should be:

10 players alive, 6 to hammer

1-@Madaghmire (0) -

2-@Drasnighta(0) -

3-@Norell(0) - Onidsen, TheToad,

4-@Caldias(3) - Drasnighta, Madaghmire, TheToad, Gnips, PodRacer

5-@GhostofNobodyInParticular(0) -

6-@PodRacer (0) - Madaghmire, CaribbeanNinja

7-@JJs Juggernaut(0) - PodRacer

8-@Onidsen(0) -

9-@TheToad(5) - Caldias, JJsJuggernaut, Madaghmire, Cninj, PodRacer, Onidsen, Cninj, Madaghmire, Dras

10-@CaribbeanNinja(0) -

Toad is L-1, Cal is L-3.

##unvote

##vote thetoad

I really hate doing this on the phone for exactly that reason

Hammer down, flip incoming

With a man shouting he is a Hutt, you all agree it's the obvious decision to take him out

@TheToad has died, he was a CULT-aligned encryptor for the Hutts

1-@Madaghmire (0) -

2-@Drasnighta(0) -

3-@Norell(0) - Onidsen, TheToad,

4-@Caldias(3) - Drasnighta, Madaghmire, TheToad, Gnips, PodRacer

5-@GhostofNobodyInParticular(0) -

6-@PodRacer (0) - Madaghmire, CaribbeanNinja

7-@JJs Juggernaut(0) - PodRacer

8-@Onidsen(0) -

9-@TheToad(5) - Caldias, JJsJuggernaut, Madaghmire, Cninj, PodRacer, Onidsen, Cninj, Madaghmire, Dras, Caldias

10-@CaribbeanNinja(0) -

The next morning, the body dragged in seems familiar, wasn't he almost the first to be sentenced to death?...

@Madaghmire has died, he was a CULT-aligned encryptor for the Black Sun

8 players alive, 5 to hammer

1-@Drasnighta(0) -

Sorry guys, I thought I had sent (my school has no signal, middle of nowhere :/)

Hot ****!

I'm still alive and town!

There IS hope.

What in the **** is an encryptor?

Me too!

Guess we really are the unpopular kids!!

Im hoping Cal Makes three of us if Mad was his kill?

@Caldias ?

Im not happy with you guys for Voting me,

but i get it. I suppose.

I also have a theory about how the scum may have been operating in this one, although my wiki-fu is weak, is it possible the scum could be responsible for What we see when a body is Identified? eg they created the 3 cult factions to keep us guessing in the dark? Is there a role that would allow this?