Would the gun action precede the cult action?

In other words, are we sure that Pod couldn't recruit someone before going down?

Also, are we sure that Pod can be shot? (unlike Broba)

So everyone following you and killing townies is a better move??? Seriously, how can people not see this! Then again, you are probably all cult anyway.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Would the gun action precede the cult action?

In other words, are we sure that Pod couldn't recruit someone before going down?

Also, are we sure that Pod can be shot? (unlike Broba)

Good question, not sure. Pod did say that Toad was bulletproof, but that doesn't seem to make sense given what we know about the dead cult leaders.

2 minutes ago, Norell said:

@Drasnighta could you tell us once more why did you no shoot Broba on night 1? I admit that this part concerns me too.

The only way I could be more precise is by copy-pasting the nightly PM, and as wonderful as it would be to be modkilled and be done, I'm not taking that way out just yet.

It is possible that Cal is cult I suppose, but currently his actions really seem to be inline with Town play.

6 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

So everyone following you and killing townies is a better move??? Seriously, how can people not see this! Then again, you are probably all cult anyway.

We're not killing townies... Cal is cult

Ok so here goes:

Maybe TheToad is lying. Maybe he's recruited enough that one more move gives him the vote control. Maybe he's setting up Pod. Maybe he's telling the truth and it is just him and Pod.

I'm willing to shoot the confessed cult leader and take my chances. Maybe the Leaders don't pass on their ability to recruit.

Either way:

##vote TheToad.

I'm going down swinging.

14 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Secondly, I agree with Mad (unfortunately) , There is absolutely no reason not to get rid of a known cult once and for all. That is the best move for the town.

Stop, I'm blushing.

I firmly believe everything Toad has said so far. The only thing I could see him lying about is Pod, because even if he does have a second, he may have just not wanted to share that.

So in that respect, it probably makes more sense to lynch pod then shoot toad. Either hes lying about Pod, in which case we'll know he's lying and liars should be shot but at least that cult cant grow, or he's being truthful, and it still works fine.

But this also means he tried to recruit JJ and Cal at some point. I have to believe he wouldnt have outed himself if that had worked, so either they can't be flipped (possible ascetics), or they are already cult (most likely). But nothing to do about that except ask they include me in the cool kids club. I'll bring Chili, and I have a line on some really cool ritual knives.

And I meant that conclude;

##unvote

##vote podracer

39 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

And I meant that conclude;

##unvote

##vote podracer

Yeah I'm down with that. Pod may be Ascetic and cannot be shot.

##unvote

##Vote PodRacer.

Doesn't Ascetic mean they are immune to everything BUT being shot/lynched?

##unvote

##vote thetoad

As much as i hate to see him go, Lynch all liars

2 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Doesn't Ascetic mean they are immune to everything BUT being shot/lynched?

Well Broba was, and he dodged my investigation and Dras' shot.

Ahh, I was reading the wiki entry. I suppose Vis may have modified it.

2 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

##unvote

##vote thetoad

As much as i hate to see him go, Lynch all liars

Why do you hate to see him go?

Hes convinced hes helping Town. Thats got me through some toughtimes.

Okay, I can go with that, I suppose. Probably two sides of the same coin anyway.

##vote PodRacer

4 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Okay, I can go with that, I suppose. Probably two sides of the same coin anyway.

##vote PodRacer

All that effort into catching thruthi to get yourself pushed to a point of voting me.

Definate recruit.

5 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Okay, I can go with that, I suppose. Probably two sides of the same coin anyway.

##vote PodRacer

So cal gets to lynch Pod and then gets to shoot me... that's the flavor of Koolaid you all want?

When Cal and the Red Keys take over just remember you refused to deal with the Hutts... we would've made great partners...

As I read, all I really see is town being confused and Cultists being opportunistic.

I believe Toad, and thus must also believe that the Reds are close to winning. As I look forward to a town victory if possible, I must attempt to root out cultists. And not indiscriminately. No, I feel that for town to win, we must keep the cult numbers down. How do we do that? By going after whoever has the most. At the moment, that is the Reds.

Caldias to me seems to be a cultist and most certainly isn't Hutt or Sun. Therefore, I shall

##vote Caldias

in an effort to curtail the growth of the Cult. Voting Pod or Toad merely allows the other cults to grow, and prevents us from having a chance at victory.

Hm. I'm not following the logic here.

If the Reds are able to convert another player, there's a reasonable chance that they win. So, based on that, we ought to try and kill one of theirs to prevent a win. (At least, those of us who are still town. That's me and Mad, as far as I can tell. And possibly Dras and Caldias if my thoughts on vigilantes being ascetic pan out)

On the other hand, the cult leader's role passing on to a second in command would be totally unbalanced. I'm inclined to view that as a lie Toad's been telling. Which militates towards lynching Toad. I could easily see him trying to play up the threat of the other factions because he's down on his luck and wanting town support to try and get back on his feet.

No question he'll sell the town out if we leave him alone long enough.

The only question is: is it the best move?

If he's not lying, and the other factions still have conversion capabilities, then this game was over for town before it even started. Still, if we're playing for our win con as it stands right now, and not as it might change to in the future, our best bet is to try and lynch a member of the faction that's ahead. Toad is the least of our worries in this scenario, because the other factions are vying for control and about to win.

If he is lying, then the other factions don't have a conversion anymore, and our best bet is to get rid of the faction that can still convert.

In that case, I'm going to try and be an optimist.

##vote Toad

If there is a chance, this is our best way of finding it. If there's not a chance, what we do today doesn't matter.

21 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

As I read, all I really see is town being confused and Cultists being opportunistic.

I believe Toad, and thus must also believe that the Reds are close to winning. As I look forward to a town victory if possible, I must attempt to root out cultists. And not indiscriminately. No, I feel that for town to win, we must keep the cult numbers down. How do we do that? By going after whoever has the most. At the moment, that is the Reds.

Caldias to me seems to be a cultist and most certainly isn't Hutt or Sun. Therefore, I shall

##vote Caldias

in an effort to curtail the growth of the Cult. Voting Pod or Toad merely allows the other cults to grow, and prevents us from having a chance at victory.

I am wondering if it is you and not Pod that Toad recruited.

3 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I am wondering if it is you and not Pod that Toad recruited.

I assure you, I have not been recruited by Toad. It is merely that I want the town to win, and only through killing the most populated cult can that happen. Could Toad be lying? Of course. But unlike Onidsen above, I am a pessimist, rather than an optimist, and so choose to believe that we are at, essentially, LYLO.

Im not gonna sleep tonight if I cast a vote based something the wiki told me to do.

##vote caldias

I cant let it go to night with him still alive.