1 minute ago, Chakan99939 said:

Humm, worse? The first starters that came out, you had to buy 4 of them to get a playset... how can you compare? Also, they are called starters, they contain stuff to learn the game and introduce it to new players. If you decide to purchase 2, it is your choice.

They could have added 20 more cards to make complete decks at nearly no additional cost. That would have been the perfect starter box.

10 minutes ago, Reaver027 said:

You can't build a tournament legal deck with just one copy. There are only 14 hero, 15 villain and 11 neutral non character cards in the box.

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm at work so didn't take the time to watch the unboxing. With only a single card of each I figured that would be the case.

15 hours ago, CBowser said:

The YT-2000 is already canon, Sana Solo flies one in the Marvel Comic.

Oh, I totally forgot, I had this same conversation in the X-Wing forum... I was the one who argued that the Volt Cobra is a YT-2000, so it's weird that I don't remember how that conversation ended!

This is a YT-2000

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/YT-2000_light_freighter

And this is Sana Starros' craft, the Volt Cobra.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Volt_Cobra

So they're not the same ship, but the Star Wars Rebels magazine had a comic called Puffer Problems that featured one, and I think those comics are considered canon:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/YT-2000_light_freighter%2FCanon

3 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

You can't build a tournament legal deck with just one copy. There are only 14 hero, 15 villain and 11 neutral non character cards in the box.

Well he did say one deck from 2 starters. Yes, you can build a tournament legal deck from two starters. Oddly enough, you can build a "this doesn't completely suck" deck from both the new starter and old starters now. I wouldn't bring it to a tournament though. You'll just be giving people free wins. On game night, it would be an interesting and fun deck.

4 minutes ago, Mep said:

Well he did say one deck from 2 starters. Yes, you can build a tournament legal deck from two starters. Oddly enough, you can build a "this doesn't completely suck" deck from both the new starter and old starters now. I wouldn't bring it to a tournament though. You'll just be giving people free wins. On game night, it would be an interesting and fun deck.

You caught me. While my choice of words may not have been precise; when taken in context the intent of my query seems clear. At least Reaver thought so and was kind enough to give a constructive reply. Chalk it up as another rookie mistake.

Just picked mine up at my FLGS! And yeah, there's exactly one each of everything (I didn't know that because I've been too busy to watch Crabbok's unboxing video), so I'm glad I picked up two!

You can sort of build two legal decks from all the starters combined.

Villains get eKylo(old)/Phasma(new)/Trooper for 29 character points, so that's good, and there's plenty of good upgrades, ways to make the trooper a guardian, dice control, damage, etc... they all look like powerful characters too! I think that might be the new go-to starter deck.

Heroes, as usual, get the short end of the stick because Finn costs 13, Rey is 9/11 or 12, and Poe is 11, so there's no way to use more than 25 character points or get more than three character dice (and those two aren't the same option), so any hero deck from starters will be garbage. And why the heck did FFG make new Poe cost 15 instead of 14 elite?!? I wanted eLeia/ePoe and eFinn/ePoe to work!

The cards are far better than most of the original starter sets! I have two of these new sets and for $60 you get a complete stand-alone game withe a few extra cards as a side board per deck. They are balanced decks and could be played many times over without the need for boosters. For those looking to play this very fun game but wish to avoid the money pit that is a CCG.... this new set is a fun buy for the casual gamer.

That being said.... I do think it is a shame that FFG did not follow the lead of many successful (and much older) CCGs and release complete decks. When I played MTG regularly, I use to love going down to the store and buying the pre-built decks. They were solid decks, fun to play with, and many of them even held up at store game nights. If I really liked the deck, after a few plays, I would start buying boosters and test trading out cards.

19 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Heroes, as usual, get the short end of the stick because Finn costs 13, Rey is 9/11 or 12, and Poe is 11, so there's no way to use more than 25 character points or get more than three character dice (and those two aren't the same option), so any hero deck from starters will be garbage. And why the heck did FFG make new Poe cost 15 instead of 14 elite?!? I wanted eLeia/ePoe and eFinn/ePoe to work!

Yup.... you need two of the new set to run eRey and ePoe. I also share your pain. Again... FFG denies the Bromance and slams the door and The General and her most trusted Resistance fighter.

4 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

They could have added 20 more cards to make complete decks at nearly no additional cost. That would have been the perfect starter box.

So nearly a third more cards is free some how?

Personally I love that FFG is getting better at structureing its core sets for multiple purchases.

Why?

Because when you can sell the same thing twice or three times you get to print way more. When you print way more your costs go down. This time they put in a single copy of everything so there is almost 0 waste! Way better than the original starters imo.

1 minute ago, TylerTT said:

So nearly a third more cards is free some how?

He said nearly.

And yes, printing cards is cheap.

This is a pretty flagrant money grab, there's no two ways about it. There may well be an argument for getting players to buy two copies of a starter set in order to get a complete game experience, but I would counter that you're more likely to get people involved if their first experience (a single starter box) gives them a decent taste of the full game experience.

That said, I don't run a multi-million dollar company, so my thoughts on the matter are moot.

3 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

Personally I love that FFG is getting better at structureing its core sets for multiple purchases.

Why?

Because when you can sell the same thing twice or three times you get to print way more. When you print way more your costs go down. This time they put in a single copy of everything so there is almost 0 waste! Way better than the original starters imo.

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What? That makes no sense.

You know what would also let them "print way more"? Including two of each card in a box instead of one.

You know what else would let them "print way more"? Getting more people into the game with a better first experience.

As it stands I can't recommend to people I know that they just buy the 2 player starter and go from there, because I refuse to tell my friends to spend their hard-earned cash on a mediocre experience.

I do think it's a little funny that the starters are always 25/23 and the real games are always 30/30. But I guess they did the market analysis and $15 per deck sells better than $20. But I hear what you guys are saying, that it ends up seeming cheap that the starter decks are seven cards short and have combined character costs between 20 and 25.

Oh well, I guess that's just their thing. It's just important to remember that to get a full deck, you probably have to buy the starter and six or so boosters, and maybe find some other folks who are willing to trade.

That being said, I really like that this two player set only had one copy of every card, so if you buy two, you don't have a bunch of duplicates. Not that I really care, since I usually buy so many packs that I get like ten copies of all the commons, but for a beginner, having a ton of duplicates without even having a tenth of the full set can have a rather unsettling feeling.

If the customer only wants to buy a single copy then they can estimate selling one copy per customer.

if the customer may want two copies of a product they can estimate selling one or two copies to each customer.

this allows them to print more copies of the same product. Printing more of the same thing drives down individual unit costs. This saves everyone money as FFG wants the entry point to be as cheap as possible.

Adding ten more non-dice cards as some suggest would mess up the ratio of dice to cards In the starter decks. A 6/20 ratio is much closer to tournament game decks than a 6/30. Those extra ten cards would make the game feel bad as players would use the dice a whole lot less.

If you want two of every card you buy two! You also have the option of only buying one.

How do you even know the single two player set is a mediocre experience? Have you even played it?

I'm also a big fan of one card each in the set.

If you want two copies of Force Throw you either have to buy another Rey starter (15USD) or the single (8-9USD). If you go with the first, you get another two Rey dice, which I guess you just throw in the collection. Buying the single seems totally dumb, however. If the first Kylo and Rey decks had been sold in a single box, I could have just bought two copies like with the new one.

Picked up two copies at Target. Opened one and played a few games with my son…pretty solid. Opened the second box (pushed the decks to 30 and added the 2nd die for heroes)…even better experience. I don't play in tournaments or anything like that but I love this set…new art, new cards…all good.

FFG is clearly not selling a full 30 card deck so people will need to buy a few boosters, and get hooked on buying them, to finish the starter deck.

FFG is very skilled at mugging us and taking all our monies. Yet some how we get surprised every time they do it to us ... and I am out $60 today as well.

18 hours ago, ajdshnps said:

Are you guys going to be selling in any other place then the U.S. Or will other countries get this product also.

US for now, the other countries are getting theirs in a few days/weeks.

14 minutes ago, Amanal said:

US for now, the other countries are getting theirs in a few days/weeks.

Of course why would any other countries be included in Force Friday.

Atleast you know exactly what is in the box, so if you don't wanna run those characters, you really don't gotta buy it.

This is secretly the launch of SW Destiny LCG format. It and all the other starters are the hidden LCG products.

Force Friday is an official American holiday, so yes, US only. I know this is true because when I was in Target in the middle of the day today going through the toys to find this stupid thing it was full of little kids checking out the star wars toys, so it must be a holiday.

You can't miss the huge Point of Sale Force Friday door clings and the 6 ft tall, 3 Stormtrooper cardboard display (with Kylo on the backside) - Target went all in.

Plus the checkout cashiers had Star Wars shirts on (looked really nice).

11 hours ago, Chakan99939 said:

Humm, worse? The first starters that came out, you had to buy 4 of them to get a playset... how can you compare? Also, they are called starters, they contain stuff to learn the game and introduce it to new players. If you decide to purchase 2, it is your choice.

I guess my initial reaction that it's "worse" is a bit off the mark. It was based on the fact that the original starters at least gave you one elite character, which gave games with a single starter some punch. It does appear that the overall card mix in the new starter is better, especially some of the upgrades.

Still would like to see FFG release a complete, competitive deck. Maybe some day.

7 hours ago, TylerTT said:

How do you even know the single two player set is a mediocre experience? Have you even played it?

I bought a set and then was given a second. Played with a single set a few times tonight. The cards are great, the experience of single die characters, 6 deck cards with dice, and only 20 total cards in the deck (all singles) was lack luster. We believe (and will try tomorrow) combining two sets to create elite character pairs and more (complete) deck cards will improve the game dramatically.

Im a bit shocked as the insert will not accommodate sleeved cards. A bit of shortsightedness on FFG's design. It is a CCG for Pete's sake.

I guess it's on to plan B...