8 minutes ago, Chrisael said:

This would be a nice compromise but than there will be no models from general grivious, count doku or asaij ventress!

True but on the other side FFG could probably have a lot of design space cause the Droid Gotra is a rather new and unexplored Faction in the canon. I am not sure how much influence FFG can have on Disney but they got their Raider Corvette for X-Wing and I can't belive that FFG might screw up the canon mor then the SW-Rebels scrubs already do.

EDIT: Also I find the Idea of an Army of angry self aware killer droids much more appealing then that of some Wannabe Siths with their robotoys.

Immersion isn't a great point to make when by the nature of the game we can have Imperial vs Imperial or Rebel vs Rebel games where Luke Skywalker kills his doppelganger in battle. It isn't a real good point in X-wing either when you can have the Inquisitor who died before ANH shows up and fights with Poe from TFA. They even has Asaji Ventrus in that game, which is nice considering that ship was made for her before the Clone Wars was canceled, but still she is long dead by the event of the GCW and even more so when the ST timeline comes around. All I want is a Star Wars sandbox to tell the stories we want and to play out the battles we want.

I want my Clones, and if Gunboat is anything to go by then we better start campaigning now.

16 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Immersion isn't a great point to make when by the nature of the game we can have Imperial vs Imperial or Rebel vs Rebel games where Luke Skywalker kills his doppelganger in battle. It isn't a real good point in X-wing either when you can have the Inquisitor who died before ANH shows up and fights with Poe from TFA. They even has Asaji Ventrus in that game, which is nice considering that ship was made for her before the Clone Wars was canceled, but still she is long dead by the event of the GCW and even more so when the ST timeline comes around. All I want is a Star Wars sandbox to tell the stories we want and to play out the battles we want.

Good point, let's outrule mirror matches!

1 hour ago, Chrisael said:

FO and Resistance will be very boring because there are no real differences to the Empire and Rebels!
But a Separatist Droidarmy will have lot of differences and much more diverse models than any other faction. Even the republic army will be more diverse than the empire because they can have low level Jedi als troops and not only as commander.
I know, some hardcore OT-fans dont want to see such things and I too love the OT far more than die PT but I love the diversity of the PT and I want badly minis from the clonewar era!

I'm not a huge PT fan, but I think a separatist droid army would be pretty cool.

The Republic and Clone armies don't have a lot to differentiate them in the rank and file. The only reason we think of clones as different is because a few of them got names and personalities in the cartoon, for cartoon reasons. They're both kinda swarm oriented. That said, there is sufficient variation in troop types to make them each interesting and enough of a difference in vehicles and commanders. The CIS is not limited to mere droids nor the Republic to clones. Geonosian and Gungan sub-types are available along with other groups on either side, and as I've posted elsewhere, jedi can be used as something other than command units to get away from clone swarms. If we're gonna go full toon, then Deathwatch is also available in some capacity.

I can't think of anything for FO or Resistance that cannot be handled as well or better by GCW era troops. I'm not keen on Rebels and Rogue One, but they may be able to provide some good options(Rogue One more than Rebels). The new comics characters can stay in the comics.

How is the reskinning handled with space marines? To me, they all look the same except some are green and some are blue.

But, reading about the First Order, they could play significantly different. The First Order is a lot smaller than the Empire, and they seem to focus on a smaller group of better trained troops.

Plus with the new Judicial Trooper - executioners, Flame troops, riot troops, and going by toys from hasbro, using a newer version of the AT-RT, they can be visually distinctive, beyond the white armour.

@juxstapo

Great point about FO stormtroopers having better morale. Based on TFA, I think this is not only about "staying power" (suppression resistance, which also ties into them being better than GCW-era stormies) but also about aggression. If GCW stormies were bullies who preferred to attack from strength, FO stormies appear to be fanatics who love getting up into the teeth of their enemies.

I also like the idea of Clone Troopers, should Legion ever get that far, being outright better and more expensive. To me, this indicates a basic problem with the Clone Wars era, when it comes to Legion: relative to the GCW-era, Clone Wars stuff is just better. Those were the days of "high adventure" and the OT-era is prosaic by comparison. Clone Wars stuff would therefore basically be, across the board, at least a step up from everything from the GCW-era. And at that point, you basically have a separate game.

29 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

How is the reskinning handled with space marines? To me, they all look the same except some are green and some are blue.

Most basically, different chapters have access to different specialized units. It wouldn't really work, for example, applied to Galactic Empire versus First Order because the basic trooper of each faction is actually different whereas a "rank and file" Blood Angel and Dark Angel are pretty much the same, barring some special rules.

How would I avoid it?

"Roger, Roger!"

9 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I like the idea of the FO Stormtroopers having more Courage so they are less likely to retreat due to their brainwashing and training, they also have room for variants like a melee focused riot trooper so maybe they reward more rushing the target and getting in their face?

First Order: Charging in and getting in their face with Kylo, riot troopers, with possibly having flame troopers able to destroy some cover.

Oh! Oooooh! I like that, yeah, making the FO more melee/short ranged aggression focused would work perfectly with what we've seen on screen and in toy form.

8 hours ago, Chrisael said:

FO and Resistance will be very boring because there are no real differences to the Empire and Rebels!

Hence, the purpose of this thread.

Gah, how many times did I type "moral" instead of "morale"? ... yeah, my master plan was have the FO achieve success based on their ability to locate delectable fungi.

5 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

But, reading about the First Order, they could play significantly different. The First Order is a lot smaller than the Empire, and they seem to focus on a smaller group of better trained troops.

Plus with the new Judicial Trooper - executioners, Flame troops, riot troops, and going by toys from hasbro, using a newer version of the AT-RT, they can be visually distinctive, beyond the white armour.

5 hours ago, Manchu said:

@juxstapo

Great point about FO stormtroopers having better morale. Based on TFA, I think this is not only about "staying power" (suppression resistance, which also ties into them being better than GCW-era stormies) but also about aggression. If GCW stormies were bullies who preferred to attack from strength, FO stormies appear to be fanatics who love getting up into the teeth of their enemies.

Yeah! I'd love to see this idea gain momentum! The First Order being the SWL Blood Angels.... okay, perhaps that was tasteless. (Are BA's still cqb oriented in 8th?).

But c'mon, who else is behind this? @Animewarsdude , @That Blasted Samophlange and @Manchu have sold me utterly on the idea of a close up, aggressive FO for this game. Lets parade these homemade signs in front of FFG!

8 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Rebel vs Rebel games where Luke Skywalker kills his doppelganger in battle.

Perfectly acceptable. Fan favorite Luuke makes his tabletop game debut.

Great now I have to paint my luke with a goatee.

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

How would I avoid it?

Easy to paint the endless ranks though.

Like it or not guys so far there have been several attempts in this space already that stuck to just the gcw era.( to be fair for some of those the other factions didn't exist during printing).

That said,i'd personally prefer they kept much of the rank and file fairly generic so that we don't end up with factions left in the dust due to a balance mistep trying to define the differences......

16 hours ago, Ralgon said:

Like it or not guys so far there have been several attempts in this space already that stuck to just the gcw era.( to be fair for some of those the other factions didn't exist during printing).

Sure, but I would posit that not only did the factions not exist but the climate was entirely different. Now we have the commercial juggernaut with it's SW branded currency printing press. Star Wars saturation and consumption is at an all time high and, oddly enough, tabletop gaming seems to be at it's healthiest as well. (The internet's fault I guess?). FFG's star is ascending at an alarming rate to match.

To my (albeit extremely biased) eye it seems like conditions are bizarrely perfect for a sprawling, expansive product line destined to take up a sizable percentage of our FLGS's; prompt multi-tiered competitive events, up to and including prestigious painting and modelling showcases; perhaps even kick off a nationwide chain of FFG stores! **

** Eh, it occurs to me I'm making broad generalizations about that of which you speak. Namely to the tune that any products, or "attempts in this space" you may be referencing happened before the Disney acquisition and the latest generation of Forced Fed Fandom. If this is not the case and you're actually speaking of comparatively recent products whose existence I've been ignorant of, (which isn't difficult to picture given my sporadic contact with the hobby over the years), then I apologize for refuting your point with naught but baseless assumptions and fuzzy feelings.