Crossguard Lightsaber Pike (and other strangeness)

By HappyDaze, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

OK, if you accept the ideas of the crossguard lightsaber and the lightsaber pike, combining the two into something like a spear with small transverse blades isn't really too far fetched. Unfortunately, it isn't quite possible with the rules we have since both of these options are standard hilts rather than attachments (like curved hilt and extended hilt). I could really see an argument for the crossguard hilt to be an attachment, but it's certainly not RAW.

That said, what other weird combos have you come up with?

I imagined a lightsaber pike with a curved hilt as looking something like a hockey stick with a straight shaft and a blade coming off at an angle. I guess it could have an s-curve to the shaft and a blade at a sharp angle to be something like a scythe.

What happens if you add curved hilt or extended hilt to a guard shoto? I'm not sure the resulting weapon would really be all that functional. Sure, in game stats it'll still work, but what the heck would it actually look like?

Crossguard lightsaber with extended hilt is going to look a lot like the classic bastard sword from D&D.

Crossguard lightsaber with curved hilt wouldn't bee too odd; there are a lot of curved swords with crossguards. I'd rather see something like a cortosis basket hilt for that curved thing, but alas...

Now curved and extended hilts together are going to be weird on many levels. I'm not really visualizing any good weapons that use both.

With the lightsaber construction rules, I don't think you can see anything that prevents you from applying the crossguard upgrade to any type of lightsaber, pikes and double-blades included. So...

This particular thing I've handled by putting restrictions on both, made them (extended and curved hilt) so they don't work together. I've also changed the extended hilt significantly.

I have a Sathari Striker, who utilizes a saber based upon the traditional diiro weapon of his species- essentially, a very short spear. Ultimately, it is being treated as a standard lightsaber, with me describing it in the narrative however I like. The extended hilt and shoto blade would have cancelled-out, anyway, mechanics-wise.

1 hour ago, Edgehawk said:

I have a Sathari Striker, who utilizes a saber based upon the traditional diiro weapon of his species- essentially, a very short spear. Ultimately, it is being treated as a standard lightsaber, with me describing it in the narrative however I like. The extended hilt and shoto blade would have cancelled-out, anyway, mechanics-wise.

Not entirely, you would have gained Accurate 1 and the option to Mod for Vicious +1 but lost a few hard points and paid a lot more for it.

6 hours ago, Blackbird888 said:

With the lightsaber construction rules, I don't think you can see anything that prevents you from applying the crossguard upgrade to any type of lightsaber, pikes and double-blades included. So...

This particular thing I've handled by putting restrictions on both, made them (extended and curved hilt) so they don't work together. I've also changed the extended hilt significantly.

What changes have you made to the extended hilt? That's one upgrade that has always bugged me. Lightsabers are made of relatively cheap materials (Only a few hundred credits' worth), and yet extending the hilt a little costs 3,800 credits. Literally all you are doing is adding a bit more of that relatively cheap material to give your hand more room to hold on to, and yet it costs way more than just building a regular lightsaber! And the benefit you get from it is really good, considering how little you're actually doing. I've been wanting to home-rule this one, I just don't know how I want to change it.

The Lightsaber Rapier, Technically a shoto with the Crossguard Upgrade (via construction also added some mor HP!) and the curved hilt and superea hilt, while bearing a Dantari,

In Fluff and description the Handle had an cortosis basket while the hilt it self was slightly curved for the better fencing crip.

Extended hilt instantly changes the weapon into a 2-handed one (no more shield or second weapon), on my table at least.

also curved and extended combined is forbidden.

Superea has to be used while construction of the LS and can't be added later on (since you would technically have to rebuild it etherway with all that nice shiny and somewhat better parts)

It's odd to me that you'd base a rapier on a shoto as rapier blades are usually pretty long.

This, in Lightsaber form, is what I imagine a Lightsaber Pike with the Crossguard option from EV would look like. Give it to an Ataru/Sentry for your Spear throwing and beast riding wilder.

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This one probably has the pomel cap attachment too

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Note that while there isn't a crossguard hilt attachment, it can be applied to a Lightsaber hilt that you've crafted. The pole lightsaber template is essentially the lightsaber pike, so if you craft one with three advantages, you can give it a crossguard.

21 hours ago, Richardbuxton said:

This, in Lightsaber form, is what I imagine a Lightsaber Pike with the Crossguard option from EV would look like. Give it to an Ataru/Sentry for your Spear throwing and beast riding wilder.

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This one probably has the pomel cap attachment too

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That particular spear design is known as a Boar Spear . They were used specifically for hunting wild boar. The cross bar was there to prevent the boar from charging up the shaft and goring the hunter.

I was thinking more along the lines of the jumonji yari than the boar spear, but the effect is the same.

Sad that what I want is only found in the crafting rules. To me that's basically like wanting peanuts but only being able to get them by picking them out of feces.

Edited by HappyDaze
7 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

I was thinking more along the lines of the jumonji yari than the boar spear, but the effect is the same.

Sad that what I want is only found in the crafting rules. To me that's basically like wanting peanuts but only being able to get them by picking them out of feces.

Now that's what I don't get. Why do you hate the crafting rules so much? I find them very good, vey versatile, and very useful, particularly the armor and lightsaber crafting rules. They're some of my favorite rules in the game.

I wonder if a shoto saber could be built with a katar's H-shaped grip and what effect it might have mechanically. For even more fun, add in the crossguard.

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Edited by HappyDaze

On 4.9.2017 at 6:32 AM, HappyDaze said:

I wonder if a shoto saber could be built with a katar's H-shaped grip and what effect it might have mechanically. For even more fun, add in the crossguard.

No reason to not go with it ^^ would use a guard shoto with Cross hilt as mechanical description, and describe it as the "Katar-Shoto"

On 31.8.2017 at 11:49 AM, HappyDaze said:

It's odd to me that you'd base a rapier on a shoto as rapier blades are usually pretty long.

well just used it as mechanical description without reinventing the wheel ^^
due to the supreme the weapon regains the lost damage back to symbolice the "long" blade of the rapier,
and due to accuratie and supreme, the weapon get the boost and auto-advantage to symbolice the well... accuratie of a rapier ^^
the cross hilt is only the mechanical description of the fluff basket

I have yet to see any suggestions here stranger (or stupider) than the regular guard shoto. I liked the katar idea for making use of the guard shoto rules and crafting template though.

How would you go about making a pata -style lightsaber, ruleswise?

Edited by penpenpen

same as the katar but without the crossguard,

OR

As a Shoto and let it have a refined cortosis gauntlet attached (yes it wouldn't be following any offical build or attachment rule ... but then again who will stop you ^^)

2 hours ago, penpenpen said:

I have yet to see any suggestions here stranger (or stupider) than the regular guard shoto. I liked the katar idea for making use of the guard shoto rules and crafting template though.

Yeah, in my eyes, a katar (with or without crossguard blades) lightsaber seems far less stupid than the official tonfa-based guard shoto.

3 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

Yeah, in my eyes, a katar (with or without crossguard blades) lightsaber seems far less stupid than the official tonfa-based guard shoto.

To be honest, a red clown nose-lightsaber is less stupid than the tonfasaber. :P

Perhaps a lantern shield based lightsaber could be an interesting way of making a defensive lightsaber, either with a cortosis (or phrik or whatever) shield or combined with something like an energy buckler .

On 8/30/2017 at 3:48 AM, HappyDaze said:

Now curved and extended hilts together are going to be weird on many levels. I'm not really visualizing any good weapons that use both.

Look at some of the 2-handed shamshirs.

Here's a sword with a 2-hand (slightly)curved hilt:

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Certain O-dachi also continued the curve of the blade through the 3-hand handle.

25 minutes ago, AK_Aramis said:

Look at some of the 2-handed shamshirs.

Here's a sword with a 2-hand (slightly)curved hilt:

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Certain O-dachi also continued the curve of the blade through the 3-hand handle.

See if you can find any examples of a curved handle with a straight blade (all lightsaber blades are straight, except the lightwhip).

16 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

See if you can find any examples of a curved handle with a straight blade (all lightsaber blades are straight, except the lightwhip).

for practical purposes, that is a straight blade.

17 hours ago, AK_Aramis said:

Look at some of the 2-handed shamshirs.

Here's a sword with a 2-hand (slightly)curved hilt:

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Certain O-dachi also continued the curve of the blade through the 3-hand handle.

Both the Katana and Wakizashi also have hilts that continue the curve of their blades through the grip.

I've kind of always wanted to make a character who'd use a lightsaber version of this:

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Well within the realm of possibility for lightsaber construction, but not really supported by the rules. But just look at the boss moves Yuffie can pull with this, and the Force would only make it all easier:

Edited by ErikModi
15 hours ago, ErikModi said:

I've kind of always wanted to make a character who'd use a lightsaber version of this:

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Well within the realm of possibility for lightsaber construction, but not really supported by the rules.

that one would totaly need the GMs approval, but netherless here the template I would use:

Windmile Lightsaber, construction check 5 purple, Damage -1, Unwieldy 4, Linked 3, 2 remaining HardPoints (after crystal installation), add one Advantage to any saberthrow actions with this weapon while adding one thread to all attacks other than throwing with this weapon, a despair can be used to hit your self for standard weapon damage.

needs 4 identical kybercrystals, every attachment must be bought 4 times (while still consuming only one time the HP of course)

(wouldn't allow any of this hilt customation: curved, reversed, extended, pommel, crossguard.)

On 9/17/2017 at 11:10 AM, ErikModi said:

I've kind of always wanted to make a character who'd use a lightsaber version of this:

170px-Yuffie_Kisaragi_AC.jpg

Well within the realm of possibility for lightsaber construction, but not really supported by the rules. But just look at the boss moves Yuffie can pull with this, and the Force would only make it all easier:

A weapon like that would be way too dangerous to the user to be practical. What she has there is a Fuma Shuriken, a fictional weapon, attributed to the historical Fuma Kotaro , seen in both Final Fantasy and Naruto , among others.