I've always assumed Republic and Imperial influence became progressively weaker the farther from the core you are. There would be strongholds like Mustafar or Geonosis, but in truth, the Outer Rim remains a vast and not even fully explored frontier. In this respect they are like early medieval kings who claimed far more territory than they actually controlled.

14 hours ago, Vondy said:

I've always assumed Republic and Imperial influence became progressively weaker the farther from the core you are. There would be strongholds like Mustafar or Geonosis, but in truth, the Outer Rim remains a vast and not even fully explored frontier. In this respect they are like early medieval kings who claimed far more territory than they actually controlled.

Exactly. It should also be noted that Naboo, while relatively close to Tatooine, was a Mid Rim world, not an Outer Rim world. Most of the Mid Rim was certainly part of the Republic. However, the Outer Rim was predominantly non-aligned frontier.

Don't know if this has been shared? But it summons up my feelings on the subject.

26 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

Don't know if this has been shared? But it summons up my feelings on the subject.

Mind summing it up for us? I refuse to watch Dash Star's content, because I really hate supporting "Click Bait - the YouTube channel". Which, admittedly, sums up 90% of YouTube these days.

Evidence to support that Lucas/Disney is going the way of the Grey Jedi. Pretty much like he read this thread and decided to prove Grey Jedi.

If you are interested in the subject, it's a good watch.

The title is misleading. It's a video about Grey Jedi and The Whills.

9 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

The title is misleading. It's a video about Grey Jedi and The Whills.

That's why I don't watch Dash Star. Most of his video thumb nails and titles are completely misleading, and when the title says he has "proof" of something or he "knows" something, more often than not it's rampant speculation based off of outdated EU knowledge. No offense to Dash, he's a great guy and tons of fun. I just don't like his videos.

3 minutes ago, Underachiever599 said:

That's why I don't watch Dash Star. Most of his video thumb nails and titles are completely misleading, and when the title says he has "proof" of something or he "knows" something, more often than not it's rampant speculation based off of outdated EU knowledge. No offense to Dash, he's a great guy and tons of fun. I just don't like his videos.

Nothing from EU. mostly from the cartoons to support.

The title is totally misleading however. I think the thumb is supposed to be Rey as a Grey.

19 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

Nothing from EU. mostly from the cartoons to support.

The title is totally misleading however. I think the thumb is supposed to be Rey as a Grey.

Given the all black look, the high amount of leather, and the very sith looking eyes on the right, I'm guessing it's supposed to be Sith Rey.

2 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

Given the all black look, the high amount of leather, and the very sith looking eyes on the right, I'm guessing it's supposed to be Sith Rey.

Well his vid is about grey jedi. Not his original art I guessing.

Yeah I have seen that guys videos and to me there is nothing to see there. It's not even inventively bad.

What are we like 2 months away from The Last Jedi? I watched that last trailer and I fee like it was cut to make you believe the good guys have all gone neutral or bad by the end of the movie, but because the trailer is cut like that it makes me doubt that the movie will be that way.

3 hours ago, Archlyte said:

What are we like 2 months away from The Last Jedi? I watched that last trailer and I fee like it was cut to make you believe the good guys have all gone neutral or bad by the end of the movie, but because the trailer is cut like that it makes me doubt that the movie will be that way.

Yeah Rey is definitely asking Luke to train her and not Kylo. Kylo is not going to kill his mother most likely. In the Force Awakens novel, it states that Kylo killing his father weakened him rather than strengthened him. Do Rey and Luke have a confrontation over something, most definitely. They have been hinting at Grey Jedi for awhile and have been pushing the Whils.

1 hour ago, TrainedMunkey said:

Yeah Rey is definitely asking Luke to train her and not Kylo. Kylo is not going to kill his mother most likely. In the Force Awakens novel, it states that Kylo killing his father weakened him rather than strengthened him. Do Rey and Luke have a confrontation over something, most definitely. They have been hinting at Grey Jedi for awhile and have been pushing the Whils.

I don't know, the color scheme behind Rey does look a lot like the same color scheme behind Kylo when he holds out his hand. That orangey glow. It very well could be the "Join Me!" equivalent from Empire, but in this one.

What I think the twist will be, is that at this point Kylo has turned away from the Dark, and is asking her to join him to take down Snoke. He just looks way too calm and relaxed in that shot.

1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:

I don't know, the color scheme behind Rey does look a lot like the same color scheme behind Kylo when he holds out his hand. That orangey glow. It very well could be the "Join Me!" equivalent from Empire, but in this one.

What I think the twist will be, is that at this point Kylo has turned away from the Dark, and is asking her to join him to take down Snoke. He just looks way too calm and relaxed in that shot.

My thoughts also actually, but her shot seems to look like the same lighting as seen on achoo, my own creative spelling.

Just now, TrainedMunkey said:

My thoughts also actually, but her shot seems to look like the same lighting as seen on achoo, my own creative spelling.

You could be right. That's just my theory based on the scenes provided, and intentionally trying to think what the scene might be, other than what they are obviously trying to imply it is.

Now, it could very well be exactly what we see in the trailer. That Kylo is trying to invite her to the Dark Side, possibly over Luke's corpse. That's the problem with trailers, half of them spell out every major plot point in spoilerific detail, to the point that you don't need to see the movie. The other half intentionally splice clips from vastly different scenes together, giving a 100% false impression of what the film is actually about.

So yeah, it could go either way honestly.

4 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

I don't know, the color scheme behind Rey does look a lot like the same color scheme behind Kylo when he holds out his hand. That orangey glow. It very well could be the "Join Me!" equivalent from Empire, but in this one.

What I think the twist will be, is that at this point Kylo has turned away from the Dark, and is asking her to join him to take down Snoke. He just looks way too calm and relaxed in that shot.

I've got to disagree there. To me, it looks like two completely different scenes cut together. First, Rey's background his cool and dark, whereas Kylo is superimposed over fire and flying embers. Not only that but Rey is wearing the same outfit she arrived on AchTo wearing. She's definitely talking to Luke.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I've got to disagree there. To me, it looks like two completely different scenes cut together. First, Rey's background his cool and dark, whereas Kylo is superimposed over fire and flying embers. Not only that but Rey is wearing the same outfit she arrived on AchTo wearing. She's definitely talking to Luke.

It's possible, I reserve judgement either way. Like I said, it's likely they are being deceptive with the scene work, or maybe not. You can't ever tell with trailers. Their like Schrodenger's Cat, until you see the movie, you can't really know if it's real or not.

34 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

It's possible, I reserve judgement either way. Like I said, it's likely they are being deceptive with the scene work, or maybe not. You can't ever tell with trailers. Their like Schrodenger's Cat, until you see the movie, you can't really know if it's real or not.

You can't even know whether the stuff from the trailer will end up in the movie. Or was ever intended to be in the movie in the first place.

6 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

You can't even know whether the stuff from the trailer will end up in the movie. Or was ever intended to be in the movie in the first place.

Yep. Could be clips from the first edit, but then they did some reshoots. Could be stuff that just got cut entirely because it didn't work at all. Any number of things.

I actually think that last trailer for Force Awakens was pretty well done. It didn't spoil anything, but showed images of all of the intense stuff. You had a vague impression of conflict and tension, but no context to inform what was going on. Wish more were like that.

8 hours ago, TrainedMunkey said:

Yeah Rey is definitely asking Luke to train her and not Kylo. Kylo is not going to kill his mother most likely. In the Force Awakens novel, it states that Kylo killing his father weakened him rather than strengthened him. Do Rey and Luke have a confrontation over something, most definitely. They have been hinting at Grey Jedi for awhile and have been pushing the Whils.

That they hint at it makes me think it might be smoke. I remember the preconceptions I had about TFA and TPM from the trailers and it was way off lol. I don't think it could have all been from me having bad judgment, I imagine some of it has to do with trailers that are meant to misdirect. If you are trying this hard to hide information from the public, misinformation is a must. I don't even trust the blurb we got about the "insiders" who saw the rough cut and said the movie will "divide the fanbase." That's a statement that a cold reader would be proud to use. Hmm I see, I see someone who uses the Force, and it's not clear if they are Dark or Light! Oh must be gray! Must be.

In the OT I would probably have said there would have been no valid basis to assume Hutt's were an empire. Jabba was literally a gangsta on a back water world, and that was the start and end of it.

In the PT, EP-1 particlarly it was shown that the Hutt's openly ruled this world, that repubiican credits were not taken and slavery was a standard.

The republic might never publicly acknowledge that the Hutt's are the rulers of a section of rim space, indeed for most republican citizens they would have no idea that that this lawless space exists, yet there is enough to indicate that not all planets are part of the republic, The Hutt's seem to have enough pressence to be neutrally aligned and the republic is never motivated enough to resolve this issue; though it is suggested from what my friend says from one book that after the galactic civil war, the New Republic basically went on to dispose of Hutt Space and basically brought their entire criminal network down.

E.g. The Hutt's occupied a large scythe of territory that consisted of at least Tattoieen, and in the EU they owned a larger group of space that could have easily been handled by the republic at any time but it took two civil wars to motivate them enough to actually deal with their slug infestation.

P.S: Jesus, I didn't expect to see anything from the latest trailer here. I make a point of not watching them for a reason; it gives me expectations, I don't want that. I guess I'm not checking into this thread for another 2 months.

On ‎10‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 1:56 AM, LordBritish said:

In the OT I would probably have said there would have been no valid basis to assume Hutt's were an empire. Jabba was literally a gangsta on a back water world, and that was the start and end of it.

In the PT, EP-1 particlarly it was shown that the Hutt's openly ruled this world, that repubiican credits were not taken and slavery was a standard.

The republic might never publicly acknowledge that the Hutt's are the rulers of a section of rim space, indeed for most republican citizens they would have no idea that that this lawless space exists, yet there is enough to indicate that not all planets are part of the republic, The Hutt's seem to have enough pressence to be neutrally aligned and the republic is never motivated enough to resolve this issue; though it is suggested from what my friend says from one book that after the galactic civil war, the New Republic basically went on to dispose of Hutt Space and basically brought their entire criminal network down.

E.g. The Hutt's occupied a large scythe of territory that consisted of at least Tattoieen, and in the EU they owned a larger group of space that could have easily been handled by the republic at any time but it took two civil wars to motivate them enough to actually deal with their slug infestation.

P.S: Jesus, I didn't expect to see anything from the latest trailer here. I make a point of not watching them for a reason; it gives me expectations, I don't want that. I guess I'm not checking into this thread for another 2 months.

Sorry about that. Yeah TLJ discussion is going on so if you don't want that it's a good idea to avoid the thread.

On 10/20/2017 at 11:36 AM, KungFuFerret said:

You could be right. That's just my theory based on the scenes provided, and intentionally trying to think what the scene might be, other than what they are obviously trying to imply it is.

Now, it could very well be exactly what we see in the trailer. That Kylo is trying to invite her to the Dark Side, possibly over Luke's corpse. That's the problem with trailers, half of them spell out every major plot point in spoilerific detail, to the point that you don't need to see the movie. The other half intentionally splice clips from vastly different scenes together, giving a 100% false impression of what the film is actually about.

So yeah, it could go either way honestly.

Or contain shots not even in the movie, looking at you Rogue One. Yeah the trailer is a total mislead.

Considering the marketing has been very heavy on gritty imagery and the color red, I can see this going down in an interesting way:

I'm guessing Luke will cut off Rey's training early because he sees too many similarities to Ben within her. This will cause her to try to take on the First Order herself in order to save her friends, a nice parallel to ESB and AotC. However, in a twist on the "second movie in the trilogy" formula, Ben actually does cripple the Resistance fleet, forcing the non-Force-sensitive heroes to retreat while Rey confronts Snoke in a last-ditch effort. In keeping with tradition, she gets her butt handed to her, but Snoke says/does something that causes Ben to lose faith in him, and he saves Rey from death by Snoke's hands. With the Resistance all but destroyed, Rey asks Ben to complete her training where Luke wouldn't, forcing Light and Dark to work together to stop the evil giant naked mole-rat that is Snoke.

20 hours ago, Nivrap said:

Considering the marketing has been very heavy on gritty imagery and the color red, I can see this going down in an interesting way:

I'm guessing Luke will cut off Rey's training early because he sees too many similarities to Ben within her. This will cause her to try to take on the First Order herself in order to save her friends, a nice parallel to ESB and AotC. However, in a twist on the "second movie in the trilogy" formula, Ben actually does cripple the Resistance fleet, forcing the non-Force-sensitive heroes to retreat while Rey confronts Snoke in a last-ditch effort. In keeping with tradition, she gets her butt handed to her, but Snoke says/does something that causes Ben to lose faith in him, and he saves Rey from death by Snoke's hands. With the Resistance all but destroyed, Rey asks Ben to complete her training where Luke wouldn't, forcing Light and Dark to work together to stop the evil giant naked mole-rat that is Snoke.

This sounds like one of the best theories I have heard. I think the red color is definitely a theme in this movie from what they are showing, and I don't know if it is supposed to signify death, pain, evil, war, etc. Great stuff Nivrap.