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Posted at 2017-08-29 16:17:56+00:00

In the faq, hidden information includes "unrevealed command tools" but there is no reference to the dials or the information contained on the dials (for example what options are available and at what initiative).

on page 9, under "Taking notes and outside material" it states you can "reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain hidden information at any time"

The question is, is the dial information available on the learn to play document and the hero sheets "hidden information" so that you can't use those in tournaments, or not? Are players allowed to bring them for reference during gameplay?

Posted at 2017-08-29 16:30:34+00:00

What the opponent has selected on their dials is hidden. The information about every unit's actions and modifiers is not hidden.

Posted at 2017-08-29 17:40:36+00:00

1 hour ago, Contrapulator said:

What the opponent has selected on their dials is hidden. The information about every unit's actions and modifiers is not hidden.

I think I misread the intent of this ruling. It's not rule documentation that contains hidden information, it's "game components that do not contain hidden information". Just wanted to make sure those references would be available during tournament play if desired. To me it seemed grey on first reading, thought I'd ask before failing or breaking a rule.

Posted at 2017-08-29 19:53:10+00:00

I would think a cheat sheet of unit dials and initiative is legal, as it is not hidden, but open information. That said I don't think a master list will be provided.

Posted at 2017-08-29 21:37:05+00:00

1 hour ago, Darthain said:

I would think a cheat sheet of unit dials and initiative is legal, as it is not hidden, but open information. That said I don't think a master list will be provided.

Each new unit comes with the dial information. For instance, it's on the hero sheets for Maro and Hawthorne, and the learn to play package, that comes with the core box, has the dial information on the back page. The elves had their dial information somewhere, on the back of one of the rules pages. All of those are legal pieces of information you can bring as they are official documents from the game, unless you can't reference those in game. However, I don't think this ruling prohibits this activity.

Posted at 2017-08-29 21:54:44+00:00

In fact, building a binder with all the dial charts in them is something I can't believe I didn't think of earlier.

Posted at 2017-08-29 22:45:07+00:00

49 minutes ago, Tvayumat said:

In fact, building a binder with all the dial charts in them is something I can't believe I didn't think of earlier.

I started and never finished an excel sheet of initiative vs action/colour and modifiers. Not sure if that'll be easier than images though.

Posted at 2017-08-29 23:14:26+00:00

29 minutes ago, Darthain said:

I started and never finished an excel sheet of initiative vs action/colour and modifiers. Not sure if that'll be easier than images though.

I was thinking of doing that, too. Post it?

Posted at 2017-08-29 23:32:41+00:00

17 minutes ago, Contrapulator said:

I was thinking of doing that, too. Post it?

Don't think I've even finished the starter set, maybe I'll find time this weekend and will post once complete.

Posted at 2017-08-30 04:05:04+00:00

4 hours ago, Darthain said:

Don't think I've even finished the starter set, maybe I'll find time this weekend and will post once complete.

I whipped this up. How does it compare with your version?

Posted at 2017-08-30 13:50:10+00:00

9 hours ago, Contrapulator said:

I whipped this up. How does it compare with your version?

That's awesome, I wasn't using graphics as I don't have them. What did you use (or a clipped scan)?

Posted at 2017-08-30 14:10:24+00:00

10 minutes ago, Darthain said:

That's awesome, I wasn't using graphics as I don't have them. What did you use (or a clipped scan)?

I grabbed the icons from the rule book. Since you guys approve, I'll go ahead with it.

Posted at 2017-08-30 23:55:57+00:00

Posted at 2017-08-31 01:15:41+00:00

@Contrapulator That is seriously fantastic. What did you use to Isolate the images from their background and make that background transparent (and I assume colour swap them after). It is both 100x faster, and 100x better than my coloured text boxes in Excel.

Edited August 31, 2017 by Darthain

Posted at 2017-08-31 01:19:37+00:00

Glad you like it. I used threshold adjustment in Photoshop to isolate the icons, and did the color swap in Excel. I kind of want to get the versions with the speed numbers integrated into the icons, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

Posted at 2017-08-31 01:20:41+00:00

Just now, Contrapulator said:

Glad you like it. I used threshold adjustment in Photoshop to isolate the icons, and did the color swap in Excel. I kind of want to get the versions with the speed numbers integrated into the icons, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

Nice, I do not have this photo shop (I just bumble around doing light processing in light room, no pun intended.

Posted at 2017-08-31 03:25:18+00:00

It's complete! Please let me know if you notice any errors. Click here for a zip file containing my Excel spreadsheet, PDF prints of the the charts, and all the icon images.

Edited August 31, 2017 by Contrapulator

Posted at 2017-09-05 18:45:17+00:00

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 8:19 PM, Contrapulator said:

Glad you like it. I used threshold adjustment in Photoshop to isolate the icons, and did the color swap in Excel. I kind of want to get the versions with the speed numbers integrated into the icons, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

What's the cost for photoshop?

Hidden information - Dial info-graphic