X-Wing 101: S&V Article

By Sparklelord, in X-Wing

1 hour ago, Elavion said:

no but seriously, stop the 101 series. It's garbage advice (because of the riddiculous $$$ constraint, the writers are doing their best), for 20 bucks more you get MUCH better value per dollar

Nand's Worlds list was nearly identical to the one he featured in his 101 article and he took it to the top table.

13 minutes ago, Sekac said:

Nand's Worlds list was nearly identical to the one he featured in his 101 article and he took it to the top table.

My worlds list was Identical and I sucked :P

That was more me and my dice than the list though.

Highlights include:

Losing the Stealth Device on Fenn to a single hit at Range 3 (Yes, I should have taken Autothrusters...)
Blocking x7 Defenders on to a rock so that all 3 ships can open up on it and the only damage being from the rock.
Triggering Feralessness multiple times and having the only hit be the one I auto Generate.

All in all, I stand by the list. It was super good fun to fly and I played some good opponents. I feel like it could have done better than it did but I was a good weekend that I tried not to take too seriously as X-Wing is a fun game for me at the minute.

I had some many cool squads that I wanted to run but I could not convince FFG to let me write an article that assumed that you already owned the core set. $101 not including core set unlocks a **** of a lot of good builds.

Kris

2 hours ago, Sekac said:

Nand's Worlds list was nearly identical to the one he featured in his 101 article and he took it to the top table.

nearly being the key word here. The power level difference between the random fillers from the article and Nand's list is pretty close to that between pre- and postnerf Dengaroo. ;)

In all honesty, you can build competitive squadrons for $101, but FFG won't let the writers say something like "buy 4 TIE aggressors" which makes them even worse.

Edited by Elavion

Like Scum characters and ships BUT have been playing Imperial / First Order for the challenge lately, Scums Tricks are great but Imperial really makes you think and pushes you outside of your comfort zone. A win under the Imperial Flag feels so much more satisfying even if you lost seven times before that win lol.

Interesting article but I don't think the majority of the community wants to be discussing scum at the moment.

15 hours ago, Kieransi said:

But yep, now scum is so overpowered that it's just boring. I guess it's because FFG bought into the whole Clone Wars series' "cult of the bounty hunter", where anything that might be a bounty hunter is instantly more powerful than Darth Vader.

When this happens i remember to myself that Bobba does nothing at all, except dying comically in the OT.

It's just a loser in a cool armor... :P

6 hours ago, Malasombra said:

When this happens i remember to myself that Bobba does nothing at all, except dying comically in the OT.

It's just a loser in a cool armor... :P

I totally agree.

I don't super mind it, because he is at least in a movie, I know that Wedge Antilles, for example, also has a huge fan following even though he doesn't really do much in the movies either. I just feel like General Veers should have just as much of a fan following as Boba Fett, because Veers is actually much more important to the plot and destructive to the rebels in Episode V than Boba is!

#GeneralVeersFanClub

13 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:

Interesting article but I don't think the majority of the community wants to be discussing scum at the moment.

THIS.

14 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I totally agree.

I don't super mind it, because he is at least in a movie, I know that Wedge Antilles, for example, also has a huge fan following even though he doesn't really do much in the movies either. I just feel like General Veers should have just as much of a fan following as Boba Fett, because Veers is actually much more important to the plot and destructive to the rebels in Episode V than Boba is!

#GeneralVeersFanClub

@Malasombra @Kieransi

Because tracking / catching Han, and helping Darth Vader lure Luke away from his training had NO impact on the storyline of the OT...

Fett was written out of ROTJ clumsily because Georgie Boy didn't know how to make him a non issue for the rest of the movie. If he didn't go into the pit why wouldn't he have kept tracking down Han through the whole movie and thus changing the story.

Edited by Phoenix5454

I wasn't really arguing that Boba does nothing, just that Veers does more... I think destroying the Rebel base and forcing the Rebels to flee the known galaxy and find the Mon Calamari was a more important plot point than tracking Han Solo, since Lando might've sold him out anyway.

30 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I wasn't really arguing that Boba does nothing, just that Veers does more... I think destroying the Rebel base and forcing the Rebels to flee the known galaxy and find the Mon Calamari was a more important plot point than tracking Han Solo, since Lando might've sold him out anyway.

The rebels knew their time was limited on Hoth, the second the Rebels found out the empire knew they were their they split, they're weren't going to fight for it. Veers destroyed a base that the rebels were always going to abandon, it was just a question of when.

If Boba hadn't tracked Han then you never would have had Lando join the rebellion in empire, Lando and wedge destroyed the death star, Han and crew took down the shield so they could do so. Without Bobas effects on the timeline that may not have played out the same. The Rebels May have allied with the Mon Calamari because they fled Hoth but the Mon Cala wanted to flee as soon as the death star started shooting, Lando was the one who convinced them to stay and fight because "Han, will get that shield down, we gotta give him more time!" After he burned Han on Bespin he wasn't going too again. So without Lando the Rebels would have fled. Also, like I said he may not have even been part of the story if it wasn't for Boba and the events on Bespin.

P.S. who would have Lando sold Han out to if Boba hadn't brought the Empire to Bespin?

Edited by Phoenix5454

Can't a similar argument be made for almost anyone? If Backstabber hadn't panicked, Darth Vader would've killed Luke and the Death Star would've destroyed the rebel base. If the customs officer on Tatooine hadn't fallen for for Obi Wan's mind trick, the droids would've been seized by the Empire or Obi Wan would've fought them and attracted too much attention from the Empire. If Porkins hadn't died, there would've been more Rebels in the Death Star trench and Biggs would still be alive, allowing Luke to form a bromance with Biggs instead of Han and Han would've left, disgruntled, and the rebellion would've lost. Ok, maybe not that last one, but you get my point. Boba fills a role in the movie, but not much more of a role than lots of other characters, and he still isn't really a character who the average moviegoer would remember.

I think it's the more subtle things that mark Boba out to be the badass he is and instantly memorable. When Vader is briefing the bounty hunters in ESB he specifically targets Fett when he says 'no disintegrations' highlighting Fett's obvious ruthlessness in dealing with his prey.

Fett is the only one of the assembled Bounty Hunters smart enough to second guess Solo's plan, and engineer it so that he is there to pick them up when they escape from the ISD. Not only that but he anticipates what Solo will do next and manages to get himself and the Empire to Bespin ahead of Solo to set the trap.

Finally, and this is the biggest indicator for me, when Solo is being tortured Fett states to Vader that Solo is "no good to me dead". Normally this kind of insubordination would result in a swift force-choking from the Dark lord of the Sith. But not only does Vader let it lie, he tells Fett he will be compensated if Solo dies!! What?!? He's placating him and showing him a huge amount of respect. That tells me an awful lot about how badass Boba Fett is, no wonder he has such a cult following.

And all that is still excluding the non-movie SW material out there, where Boba Fett is given a lot of stories to back up his reputation.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

And all that is still excluding the non-movie SW material out there, where Boba Fett is given a lot of stories to back up his reputation.

He's the only character I can think of in the Star Wars universe that has been written back to life. There's tons of non legends proof and hints out there to support it I'm not going to list it all here, but the fans drove that. That's insane when you think about it.

This is why I like that Disney is doing stand alone films, the Skywalker story is great... but there's so much more in the Star Wars universe to be explored. The "how much so and so did in the films warrants power etc." Argument just doesn't sit right with me, there's so much more depth to the Star Wars Universe than we see on screen and that's a big reason why I like Star Wars vs. a lot of other things.

14 hours ago, JaySolaris said:

I think it's the more subtle things that mark Boba out to be the badass he is and instantly memorable. When Vader is briefing the bounty hunters in ESB he specifically targets Fett when he says 'no disintegrations' highlighting Fett's obvious ruthlessness in dealing with his prey.

Fett is the only one of the assembled Bounty Hunters smart enough to second guess Solo's plan, and engineer it so that he is there to pick them up when they escape from the ISD. Not only that but he anticipates what Solo will do next and manages to get himself and the Empire to Bespin ahead of Solo to set the trap.

Finally, and this is the biggest indicator for me, when Solo is being tortured Fett states to Vader that Solo is "no good to me dead". Normally this kind of insubordination would result in a swift force-choking from the Dark lord of the Sith. But not only does Vader let it lie, he tells Fett he will be compensated if Solo dies!! What?!? He's placating him and showing him a huge amount of respect. That tells me an awful lot about how badass Boba Fett is, no wonder he has such a cult following.

The Dark Lord knows the power-creep associated to the Scum fellows...

Don't confuse caution with respect.... :P

16 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:

@Malasombra @Kieransi

Because tracking / catching Han, and helping Darth Vader lure Luke away from his training had NO impact on the storyline of the OT...

Fett was written out of ROTJ clumsily because Georgie Boy didn't know how to make him a non issue for the rest of the movie. If he didn't go into the pit why wouldn't he have kept tracking down Han through the whole movie and thus changing the story.

I know, probably there's more of Boba than a cool armor, but the fact, is that Vader catches Solo, and he dies quite comically...

Bad guys in StarWars are quite ridiculously portrayed. Making terrible mistakes, having horrible bad aim, terrible design choices (don't start me on doors) and Boba is one of the bad guys.