8 minutes ago, Blinkus Maximus said:

I'm just waiting for someone to rule that if you use Thrawn and they Cham your ship it effects the Thrawn dial too, because "it effects all the dials".

Or someone else to say you can discard the Thrawn dial to get a token from it on each ship. Which I'm 99% sure you cant because the rules say you have to discard a dial after you reveal it to get a token, and you don't "reveal" the Thrawn dial on each ship. Still, I'm sure someone will try it somewhere.

Second one shouldnt be a problem for the most part, you can still transform the dial you reveal in a token if you intend to stack, waste of Thrawn effect, since thats just Moff Tarkin. People speculating thought arent that heated, its just speculating, some people stopped being civil when someone with community weight tried to put his stamp on something not warranted. I personally didnt get involved because i figured we would get a gencon ruling sooner or later to break the idiocy. But point still remain, Community organizer needs to put themselves above standard and only interfere with direct rules if something is seriously broken mechanically, not just strong. If community organizier could just change the rules at anytime, people could have went after Rieekeen before the errata. (Im not advocating this kind of practice).

2 minutes ago, mintek917 said:

Second one shouldnt be a problem for the most part, you can still transform the dial you reveal in a token if you intend to stack, waste of Thrawn effect, since thats just Moff Tarkin.

You can only token the dial that the ship reveals, not the one gained by Thrawn.

1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:

You can only token the dial that the ship reveals, not the one gained by Thrawn.

So you quote me repeating what i said in a different way, why? The dial you reveal is not gained by thrawn, hence you can still do dial+token with him, huge waste, but you still can.

23 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

If the Raddus bomb is legal, the implications are troubling.

Now when after you execute a maneuver on an asteroid and if you pull a crit that says "when/after you execute a maneuver", it resolves. And what does it mean for Boarding Engineers?

Iirc the conclusion reached in the other thread was that allowing Raddus bombs wouldn't affect Boarding Engineers, as that is a one time thing; you look at the current facedown damage cards and flip some of them up. Not any new ones dealt by resolving those crits.

The "Damaged Controls/Ruptured Engine" question is an interesting one either way. But if Raddus bombing isn't legal that also raises issues with the timing of some other stuff - as it would mean anything else that would be simultaneous has to be triggered/decided on at that moment, even if resolved later. A clarification on simultaneous triggers might be useful - also a definition of what "At" means in terms of timing.

But I'm not sure we want to get into this discussion again...

2 minutes ago, mintek917 said:

Second one shouldnt be a problem for the most part, you can still transform the dial you reveal in a token if you intend to stack, waste of Thrawn effect, since thats just Moff Tarkin.

Very true, my bigger concern is someone trying the first. Of course I'm also terrified, but hopeful it wont happen, of someone pulling "I can use double dials because it doesn't say I CAN'T on the card or in the rules". Really dont think it will, but in my experience with war games, special assholes will pull that until FFG puts out a statement or FAQ directly ruling against it. It only takes that one guy at a LGS to start a shitstorm.

4 minutes ago, Blinkus Maximus said:

Very true, my bigger concern is someone trying the first. Of course I'm also terrified, but hopeful it wont happen, of someone pulling "I can use double dials because it doesn't say I CAN'T on the card or in the rules". Really dont think it will, but in my experience with war games, special assholes will pull that until FFG puts out a statement or FAQ directly ruling against it. It only takes that one guy at a LGS to start a shitstorm.

Theres always that one person that wants to over complicate stuff for the **** of it, as long as its not on the organisation level it doesent really create **** storms. Sloane was just the worse example by far, because like i said it has ramification for every communities and was not needed at all.

5 minutes ago, mintek917 said:

So you quote me repeating what i said in a different way, why? The dial you reveal is not gained by thrawn, hence you can still do dial+token with him, huge waste, but you still can.

I felt what you said was ambiguous to someone who is not familiar with the argument. I honestly didn't know what point you were trying to make.

4 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

I felt what you said was ambiguous to someone who is not familiar with the argument. I honestly didn't know what point you were trying to make.

That someone would need to be highly aggravating to try to argue thrawn dials can be changed to tokens, when the same results can be done within the rules already using him correctly. So i dont feel it can ever be that much of an issue for the most part. As people trying to be complicated for the **** of it, are probably the most annoying people at table games for me.

5 minutes ago, Blinkus Maximus said:

Very true, my bigger concern is someone trying the first. Of course I'm also terrified, but hopeful it wont happen, of someone pulling "I can use double dials because it doesn't say I CAN'T on the card or in the rules". Really dont think it will, but in my experience with war games, special assholes will pull that until FFG puts out a statement or FAQ directly ruling against it. It only takes that one guy at a LGS to start a shitstorm.

Cham cannot target the gained dial. "before each ship activates, it gains 1 additional dial matching the discarded dial"

Cham cannot target Thrawn's dials since Cham targets dials assigned to a ship. The dials on top of Thrawn are not assigned to a ship.

If they say they can use 2 of the same dial, you can say you can punch them in the throat. The rules don't deny either. Your best argument in that case is to bring up the RRG page regarding command dials where it specifically says the interactions of command dials and tokens, and that is the only thing you can do.

2 minutes ago, mintek917 said:

Theres always that one person that wants to over complicate stuff for the **** of it, as long as its not on the organisation level it doesent really create **** storms. Sloane was just the worse example by far, because like i said it has ramification for every communities and was not needed at all.

What are you on about? A ruling WAS required for GenCon. Whatever you thought of the ruling, a ruling was very much required. There was no reason for that thread to blow up in the way it did, and it was very much because people misinterpreted it as someone trying to ascert authority over the game. It wasnt. It was a Tournament Official acerting authority over a Tournament, which they should.

Now do you want to keep this thread civil, or are you intending to keep pushing the idea that everything should be handled perfectly in a perfect world where the community dont have to step in to cover FFG's flaws? (Including their flaws in moderating ability might I add).

1 minute ago, mintek917 said:

That someone would need to be highly aggravating to try to argue thrawn dials can be changed to tokens, when the same results can be done within the rules already using him correctly. So i dont feel it can ever be that much of an issue for the most part. As people trying to be complicated for the **** of it, are probably the most annoying people at table games for me.

I agree, but there was a few who though you could double dial or double token in the Thrawn thread. I believe they have been reconditioned and now follow what we are agreeing upon.

Just now, mintek917 said:

That someone would need to be highly aggravating to try to argue thrawn dials can be changed to tokens, when the same results can be done within the rules already using him correctly. So i dont feel it can ever be that much of an issue for the most part. As people trying to be complicated for the **** of it, are probably the most annoying people at table games for me.

You have a nav dial. You get a Thrawn Eng dial. You dont need to Eng this turn so someone will be tempted to attempt to token it. Its an issue. Its not a big issue, it is still something to note.

7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

What are you on about? A ruling WAS required for GenCon. Whatever you thought of the ruling, a ruling was very much required. There was no reason for that thread to blow up in the way it did, and it was very much because people misinterpreted it as someone trying to ascert authority over the game. It wasnt. It was a Tournament Official acerting authority over a Tournament, which they should.

Now do you want to keep this thread civil, or are you intending to keep pushing the idea that everything should be handled perfectly in a perfect world where the community dont have to step in to cover FFG's flaws? (Including their flaws in moderating ability might I add).

What flaws were in the original Sloane? The ruling FFG given only said: Use it like you were gona use it before anybody gave any third party ruling lol. You forget the first ruling given that even contradicated the rule books, giving defenders their bonus lol. Im simply giving an explanation why things escalate. Yes they escalate when rulings are going into lands they had not before for the game. If a thrawn/raddus ruling is similar to Sloane, the forum wouldnt stay civil anymore either. Thats really the only reason. We arent in some state of peace, theres simply nothing for people to whine about just yet. My thought about the ruling itself is meaningless to this, i didnt even bother to take part in the thread.

On 8/29/2017 at 4:24 AM, DiabloAzul said:

Is it just me, or is there an unusually high number of new posters active in the forums since GenCon and the Wave VII announcements?

If true, that is fantastic news!

Also: in the past, wave announcements have invariably led to rage-quits, sky-is-falling rants, and especially heated confrontations on rules interpretation. Not so this time - everything has been so... civil .

Is this the Golden Age of Armada?

A few things.

First off, we've only seen a very limited slice of the new upgrades. It was "safe" to reveal the new ISDs, because the only thing that is going to change with them is the new battery output and upgrade slots. People already love the ISD, it's a proven top-tier ship. We still haven't seen more than the ship base and the title for the MC-75.

Second is the commanders: Both of them are really good and really popular . Aside from Thrawn inevitably requiring either an errata or an FAQ to explain that he can't combine dials to activate 8 squadrons at once, he's both popular and his ability is easily the most powerful for an Imperial commander. Raddus has replaced Rieekan's Immortal Aces with an ability to simply pop a ship wherever he wants with no significant restraints. And where Thrawn has been the archetypal Imperial admiral for Star Wars fans going on almost 40 years now, Raddus recently proved once again the importance and starring role of large space battles to Star Wars. With Ackbar already out, Raddus has really brought a breath of fresh and slightly fishy air to the canon of Star Wars naval engagements.

Third is the upgrades, and here's the real kicker and the reason nobody is freaking out: we only know 2. Darth Vader finally gets to appear as a crew member in homage to his best moments storming through the halls of an enemy ship both in A New Hope and Rogue One. The Profundity gets its one starring role as the ship that unclamped the Tantive IV from its docking bay.

And that's all. No one-off weirdness, no super game-breaking options beyond those of the commanders themselves. There's just a lot to be excited about on both sides, but no info that might worry most players.

14 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

You have a nav dial. You get a Thrawn Eng dial. You dont need to Eng this turn so someone will be tempted to attempt to token it. Its an issue. Its not a big issue, it is still something to note.

Actually it will be quite common as long as Thrawn works as Tarkin. You want to use him cause some ships need it. But he gives the dial to everyship. What we would do with those we don't need? Easy answer: gain the token. It is important to make clear we cannot.