I have a tournament comming up and am thinking of taking Nym and Rey. As there are more experienced players out there (and here on the forums) I am thinking if Nym would still be the bane (so I have to get one and start learning) after Guns for Hire is out or not spend money on it (since I barely play) and go with a list I know well enough, but that might not be very efficient.

Ideas, thoughts, comments?

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wow, that's one long sentence

I hope so, but I doubt it. There's not a lot in there that makes a lot of difference to Nym, and nothing in there that he doesn't kill pretty easily.

Harpoon Missiles are probably the biggest threat it contains.

I don't see anything in that expansion that specifically counters Nym.

I could only imagine it shifts the meta from rebel nym to scum nym

1 minute ago, Hannes Solo said:

I could only imagine it shifts the meta from rebel nym to scum nym

Scum Nym is already well above Rebel Nym...

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

Scum Nym is already well above Rebel Nym...

The Gencon winning list might disagree...

7 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

The Gencon winning list might disagree...

In terms of overall success rate, Scum Nym is better.

Whether Rebel Nym took first place in a particular tournament or not is immaterial to that calculation.

It's also not remotely to say that Rebel Nym is bad. They're both outstanding.

If anything, Guns for Hire will strengthen Nym lists by giving them an easier to use alternative to cruise missiles (Miranda in particular will prefer them). As for the ships themselves, SV and Kihraxz are both 5 HP - not too shabby, but will still melt quite easily against the bomb onslaught. Thweek might at least be able to copy Nym's PS (if he has enough of a bid to give away initiative that is), but that might not be enough. Every other pilot for those ships is PS9 or lower and none of them have turrets or even extra arcs. Which means they're going to suffer the fate of other similar fighters - rapid extinction.

Seriously, after Sabine single-handedly wiped out imperial aces, which genius thought it would be a great idea to add a PS10 ship with infinite bombs to the game? Especially one that can drop them before doing anything, after repositining, after moving or after repositioning and moving.

I was kinda hoping that Nym will have too many bad matchups and people will turn away from him after losing to some of the tanky lists but it's clearly not happening.

The only good pilot in Guns For Hire is Guri.

For an actually usable prediction: I'd expect that G4H will be very popular. A lot of people like the SV and the Kihraxz and have been waiting for them to get a fix for more than a year.

So we'll see a lot of them at mid tables. But they won't make a particular impact at top tables. Jostero MIGHT, Guri MIGHT. But mostly not.

Possible exception for the 4-k alpha strike list (Black Sun Ace/Vaksai/Deadeye/Cruise/Chips/Failsafe/Dampers x4) 4 forward TO VICTORY. Enough HP to tank a few bombs, and a MASSIVE alpha punch.

2 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

This but Sol Sixxa.

I had such a great time playing him at the weekend - it was a team tourney and we couldn't take two Nyms so I ran Dengar Sol instead and Nym went to play with Dash.

Sol is neat.

Nym will be even better with his autoblasters and bombs against Starvipers

1 hour ago, IG88E said:

Nym will be even better with his autoblasters and bombs against Starvipers

he might be in for a shock if they take regen and dischargers though, although i doubt it will happen

I dont think G4H will do anything to counter him but they will offer up some alternative lists so he may show up less.

Kfighters still suck but vipers....good god those are annoying now lol. Theyre still fragile but ANNOYING

4 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

The only good pilot in Guns For Hire is Guri.

No there's 1(3) more. The Deadeye Lok Revenant that can carry shiny new Harpoon Missiles.

1 minute ago, RStan said:

No there's 1(3) more. The Deadeye Lok Revenant that can carry shiny new Harpoon Missiles.

With some slight shuffling all the meta lists can cram harpoons somewhere. It's just a case of do they want to?

You kidding me? Thweek is awesome.

Thweek, copy/paste scum Nym, now half of what Nym does can't hurt him, and he can regen some of what's left, whilst rolling 3-4 attack dice against him.

4 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:

Thweek, copy/paste scum Nym, now half of what Nym does can't hurt him, and he can regen some of what's left, whilst rolling 3-4 attack dice against him.

I do not think that works the way you think it works.

6 minutes ago, GLEXOR said:

Thweek, copy/paste scum Nym, now half of what Nym does can't hurt him Nym's bombs are unaffected because they aren't friendly, and he can regen some of what's left, whilst rolling 3-4 attack dice against him whilst doing no damage at all because he's Ioned 1 forwards against a ship with higher PS and complete repositioning control.

Fixed it for you.

Deadeye vaksai can ruin nym, but mostly it seems to be harpoons and Thweek making life miserable for Biggs players

In almost every list you face theres a pilot that Thweek would love to steal the ability of.

Biggest one obviously being Dengar/Quickdraw as it gives him retaliation shots. But theres a lot of others that you wouldnt normally think about, such as N'Dru or Jess or Sabaac or 4LOM to name a few.

First game i ran him i faced an N'Dru, and i had Thweek with the stims/advsensors. As a result he just rolled to the side and easily got out of range 1-2 of my other ships and started pumping 4-5die attacks out lol. He almost handled the enemy on his own since both my kfighters did jack all.
Second game he took Rey's ability and practically never missed lol. Take focus if i didnt need to roll away from the arc (despite the PS, you'd be surprised how easy that is to do when the higher PS cant roll into you), reroll 2 blanks.
Final game he took Dengar's ability and actually outgunned him face-to-face thanks to Stims and higher agility lol. That was amusing. Easily the reason i was able to beat that dengar since, again, the kfighters did jack all (talonbane and viktor)
Lost all 3 games because kfighters utterly suck (its difficult to give them mods since theyre still very expensive and action hungry to survive attacks) but in all 3 Thweek was a beast.

4 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

The only good pilot in Guns For Hire is Guri.

You mispronounced black sun ace

And frankly, Thweek, Jostero and Hel actually don't look half bad either, especially once the FAQ drops. The ps13 starviper in particular is really good.