As unlikely as it is, a really cool way of using repaints to add depth to the game would be to release medium-base flotillas, with e.g. 2 CR90s or Raiders or even Nebulon-Bs (to lend them a new lease of life).

It has been noted before, but it's worth remembering that the Flotilla rules do not state anywhere that they must always be Small:

FLOTILLAS
“The ship included in this expansion is a flotilla. Ships of this type feature two plastic ship models (instead of one).
Flotillas follow the same rules as other ships* with the following exceptions:
• When a flotilla would overlap another ship (or be overlapped by another ship), deal one facedown damage card to the flotilla. Do not deal a facedown damage card to the closest ship the flotilla overlapped (or that overlapped it) unless that ship is also a flotilla.
• A flotilla cannot equip a (commander) upgrade card.”

*: i.e. including the following:

SIZE CLASS
Each ship has a size class: small, medium or large. Small ships use the 41 mm x 71 mm base, medium ships use the 61mm x 102mm base, and large ships use the 76mm x 129mm base.

There is no other basis than this one for (current) flotillas being Small ships.

I think this is brilliant future-proofing by FFG.

I just really dont hope Armada goes downhill the same road Attack wing went: Selling the same Ship modell with different cards and slighlty different painting all over again.

I was always happy that Armada went the way to sell ship CLASSES and not INDIVIDUAL ships like Attack Wing.

Thats said, I am nowhere happy about the Chimera Paintjob, I didnt even wanted a second ISD at all. To bad Thrawn didnt show up with Dreadnoughts or Carracks, which are both pretty Iconic for him.

14 hours ago, Green Knight said:

The Nebulon was prominent in Rogue One. I'd love to get some love for that ship.

Just can't love the Neb. To me it will always just be a medical frigate as introduced in ESB, a lover not a fighter. No game stats justification for this, purely my own thoughts about them.

IF this is FFGs way of retroactively adjusting ships so that they don't need to sell cardboard inserts, im in. I would love to see a modified Interdictor that addressed some of its issues and would be happy to buy another for that option. its a great way to do things personally.

4 hours ago, DScipio said:

I just really dont hope Armada goes downhill the same road Attack wing went: Selling the same Ship modell with different cards and slighlty different painting all over again.

I was always happy that Armada went the way to sell ship CLASSES and not INDIVIDUAL ships like Attack Wing.

Thats said, I am nowhere happy about the Chimera Paintjob, I didnt even wanted a second ISD at all. To bad Thrawn didnt show up with Dreadnoughts or Carracks, which are both pretty Iconic for him.

Attack Wing is now selling repeat ship classes but with no extra model/stand/etc. just minimum cardboard and cards for less than a typical ship expansion. Armada could swing this too.

Example: You buy the $15 Somraw pack and the $7.50 Ves Batlh pack. You get get two uniques, but a single model and dial.

8 minutes ago, Church14 said:

Attack Wing is now selling repeat ship classes but with no extra model/stand/etc. just minimum cardboard and cards for less than a typical ship expansion. Armada could swing this too.

Example: You buy the $15 Somraw pack and the $7.50 Ves Batlh pack. You get get two uniques, but a single model and dial.

But that sucks! You can't run them side-by-side now.

26 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

But that sucks! You can't run them side-by-side now.

The reason is that STAW is a mature game like XWMG. For both games, a lot of players have enough models to cover any fleet composition. Long term and competitive XWMG players don't need another B wing model. A cards only Bwing expansion could provide needed cards to boost a weak ship without adding a redundant model to their collection.

For a new player, you get shorted a model, but you get more variety for cheap.

Had the Chimaera been a card only pack for $30, all those players with 2 or 3 ISDs wouldn't need to buy one they'll never use just to get the new cards.

4 minutes ago, Church14 said:

The reason is that STAW is a mature game like XWMG. For both games, a lot of players have enough models to cover any fleet composition. Long term and competitive XWMG players don't need another B wing model. A cards only Bwing expansion could provide needed cards to boost a weak ship without adding a redundant model to their collection.

For a new player, you get shorted a model, but you get more variety for cheap.

Had the Chimaera been a card only pack for $30, all those players with 2 or 3 ISDs wouldn't need to buy one they'll never use just to get the new cards.

I have 3 ISDs and I will ABSOLUTELY use this new one. I'll shelve one of the old ones... (Or use 4 in custom games).

1 minute ago, Crabbok said:

I have 3 ISDs and I will ABSOLUTELY use this new one. I'll shelve one of the old ones... (Or use 4 in custom games).

That is fair.

I personally have 1 ISD. Never much saw the need for two. So this pack is awesome for me. Now, a Liberty 2 expansion would be a bit awkward with my soon to be 3 liberties

The Chimera is an Ace pack.

Just like in X-wing. Extra upgrades, fixes to aging ships, and cool, hypable characters with repainted models.

This is not new for FFG, nor is it shocking or concerning.

2 minutes ago, Grey Mage said:

The Chimera is an Ace pack.

Just like in X-wing. Extra upgrades, fixes to aging ships, and cool, hypable characters with repainted models.

This is not new for FFG, nor is it shocking or concerning.

Not new or shocking. Concerning depends on your point of view.

Part of the reason I (and others) left X-Wing was due to this repackaging. I have all of Ship X I need, a year later they release a repainted 'Aces' version with upgrades due to power creep. Do I buy yet another model I don't need to get the upgrades that are locked behind that paywall? Or worse yet, release great stuff in an epic pack so I have to pay even more money to get the repainted ship and upgrades. I got a little sick of buying multiple versions of the same ship to a point of excess.

FFG already set a precedent for Armada that I think most people are pretty happy with though. Campaigns. The last campaign box gave us a lot of new stuff. For it's price, even if you don't play the campaign, you get a decent deal with all the new squads introduced. The same could be done to update ships with new options. Is the Neb B a little weak and not seeing much table time? Release 2 new versions in the next campaign box and give us 2 or 3 copies of it. Do this for a couple ships and some new squads again and you have a pretty acceptable process to providing new content and fixing issues without forcing us to buy loads of new plastic we don't need/want.

I think I beat FFG to the punch ,by repainting on of my Liberty's into the same color scheme of the Home One.

Im planning to paint one of my Home Ones into the same color scheme as the Liberty.

29 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

Not new or shocking. Concerning depends on your point of view.

Part of the reason I (and others) left X-Wing was due to this repackaging. I have all of Ship X I need, a year later they release a repainted 'Aces' version with upgrades due to power creep. Do I buy yet another model I don't need to get the upgrades that are locked behind that paywall? Or worse yet, release great stuff in an epic pack so I have to pay even more money to get the repainted ship and upgrades. I got a little sick of buying multiple versions of the same ship to a point of excess.

FFG already set a precedent for Armada that I think most people are pretty happy with though. Campaigns. The last campaign box gave us a lot of new stuff. For it's price, even if you don't play the campaign, you get a decent deal with all the new squads introduced. The same could be done to update ships with new options. Is the Neb B a little weak and not seeing much table time? Release 2 new versions in the next campaign box and give us 2 or 3 copies of it. Do this for a couple ships and some new squads again and you have a pretty acceptable process to providing new content and fixing issues without forcing us to buy loads of new plastic we don't need/want.

Again, depends on your point of view I suppose.

X-wing waves are far more frequent and diverse than Armada waves, and people seem keen on buying more multiples- or were, spam/horde-lists seem out of vogue atm- than they do in Armada.

3 Jumpmasters was a standard list for a long time, but triple-star destroyer has always been an incredibly odd niche build.

So this expansion, yes it has plastic in it- but theyre including enough of the upgrades and ship cards to outfit a normal collection in its entirety. More of the cards contained inside are useful, and so instead of paying 60 bucks for two packs to be able to upgrade all of my Ties I only have to buy one to upgrade all of my ISDs and expand my fleet in a useful and significant way. Its even cheaper than doing it in X-wing, because the number of ships Id need this upgrades for is just flat out smaller.

X-wing players treat their game like MTG, and Armada isnt, and doesnt need to be, that.

I would love a pack with a Raider and VSD in one with fixes and variance for both. Or a Neb B and CR90 Flotilla pack with new variants and titles and such.

7 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

I would love a pack with a Raider and VSD in one with fixes and variance for both. Or a Neb B and CR90 Flotilla pack with new variants and titles and such.

You understand why someone who has enough raiders and VSDs wouldn't though right? There are alternatives to selling more models. I just hope FFG uses those alternatives.

20 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

You understand why someone who has enough raiders and VSDs wouldn't though right? There are alternatives to selling more models. I just hope FFG uses those alternatives.

I have 3 of each.

31 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

I have 3 of each.

So 'No, I have plenty of disposable income and don't care'? or 'I'd rather not have a cheaper alternative to the same end?' Not sure where you are going with that response.

11 hours ago, Irokenics said:

Alderaan cruiser! a.k.a the blue striped CR90 from star wars rebels.

This is the only ship I'd really want to see get another repainted release. The only one that makes any sense at least.

It would be cheap. Could include some new variants, new titles - including some task force titles, and bring some life back into the CR-90.

4 hours ago, Crabbok said:

I have 3 ISDs and I will ABSOLUTELY use this new one. I'll shelve one of the old ones... (Or use 4 in custom games).

Same here. I've run a 3 ISD list quite a bit recently.

Ideally, I would like to have had 2 old ISDs plus this new pack. So I will be either shelving one or (better yet) gifting it to a fellow player in our group.

5 hours ago, Church14 said:

That is fair.

I personally have 1 ISD. Never much saw the need for two. So this pack is awesome for me. Now, a Liberty 2 expansion would be a bit awkward with my soon to be 3 liberties

Well the fact you can run two as a task force or whatever it is that you can with Hammerheads will probably at least see people dabbling with twin ISD lists so there is now a reason to run two depending on what that title does.

Seems to me that this is an acceptable method of distrubuting expansion matiriel. I would like to look at this from a new player perspective. This is really good not only do you get a model it come with sfuff for two more. Not a bad ploy to move product to new players.

I like the idea of campains brining to upgrades but ar a certain point alot of people are gonna have imp uprgade with no imps, and reb upgrades with no rebs. I could see this really pissing alot of people off. Why not ebay it or split? Not always feasable. They could try booster pack things, i dont see them liking that approach.(lot of work, low reward)

So i dont think there is a super good solution here. I think the method of upgrade despensing that you like will vary from person to person so not everyone will like whatever they settle on.

3 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

So 'No, I have plenty of disposable income and don't care'? or 'I'd rather not have a cheaper alternative to the same end?' Not sure where you are going with that response.

Im a cook, and a father of three, disposable does not really describe any of my income.

A single $50 pack, sometime within a week to three months after release, isnt going to break my bank. I probably wont buy the wave all at once. If I want multiples I certainly wont, but I will buy them eventually.

I personally cant see 'but I dont have the money' as a workable argument for someone who already has many of the same model. If you felt you could buy 4 CR90s, why is 1 more a sudden burden? Especially in place of an entirely new ship that would have cost the same if not more?

Personally I'd like to see a campaign pack with new variants and maybe titles. At the top of list would be an MC80H refit with fleet command.

Love the way they did the Chimera pack. I bought 2 ISD's already. The ship is such an Icon and the fact that they put the card board necessary for two others is just perfect. I can see them doing this and I do hope once and awhile they will.

As for future ones. Sooner or later they have to do the Phoneix nest for rebels. Kind of an iconic if short lived ship for them. But fills a need they just don't have at the moment.

14 hours ago, Church14 said:

Attack Wing is now selling repeat ship classes but with no extra model/stand/etc. just minimum cardboard and cards for less than a typical ship expansion. Armada could swing this too.

Example: You buy the $15 Somraw pack and the $7.50 Ves Batlh pack. You get get two uniques, but a single model and dial.

The bad thing about that is that they stopped selling ships. Which is a bad thing. And they are selling card packs because the old cards are basically alls obsolete due to bad balance and rule shifts.