Just now, Grimstory said:

Why not? They would need to be shut off in case of malfunction?

Because your enemy could shut off your droids. That is bad. Instead for dealing with a malfunction you would have some special key type device.

22 hours ago, Geodes said:

This is covered in one of the tip boxes in a book. It essentially says that droid pcs do not get shut down like normal droids might with qualities like ion. I'm not sure if this is what you are referencing, though.

That's what we inform the GM, but the DM feels its unfair that i can do it to NPC and they can't do it to me.

Like I said he should only allow you to do it to civilian droids. Not for military. It should be the same for you and him.

Just now, Daeglan said:

Because your enemy could shut off your droids. That is bad. Instead for dealing with a malfunction you would have some special key type device.

Well is happens in many forms, shoot the rebels do it to Empire droids and the Empire does it to them. But that being said the special does make sense. But heres another problem does that mean i can slice a wireless connection to turn them off?

By physically subduing them. IE overloading their strainthreshold.

then Chop physically accessing them and reprogramming them. They do not just flip a switch on the droid.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

By physically subduing them. IE overloading their strainthreshold.

But heres another problem does that mean i can slice a wireless connection to turn them off? If the Droids can be remotely turn off by another device?

No you can't. Star wars does not allow that. Not on average. Chopper was sliced when he physically plugged into a terminal a slicer was watching. slicing required physical contact. Look up the intersteller communications thread. look up what they transmit. Star wars has a VERY different security model than we have. They do not use wifi like we do. Most computers are NOT networked. YOu want to slice it you need to go in and physically access it.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

No you can't. Star wars does not allow that. Not on average. Chopper was sliced when he physically plugged into a terminal a slicer was watching. slicing required physical contact. Look up the intersteller communications thread. look up what they transmit. Star wars has a VERY different security model than we have. They do not use wifi like we do. Most computers are NOT networked. YOu want to slice it you need to go in and physically access it.

He had to wireless to do that to chopper...

Can you post the thread?

OK, for all future post. The DM ad me came to agreement, for all those that posted, thank you for the help.

He had wireless to the facility and super user access to the facility. He DID not have wireless to chopper. Chopper physically connected to the network the slicer was accessing. The Slicer backsliced chopper put in a backdoor and connected chopper to his wireless. but he could not have done so without chopper first connecting to his network.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

He had wireless to the facility and super user access to the facility. He DID not have wireless to chopper. Chopper physically connected to the network the slicer was accessing. The Slicer backsliced chopper put in a backdoor and connected chopper to his wireless. but he could not have done so without chopper first connecting to his network.

He still had to sliced wireless from a ship in space where they did all he slicing...see the inconsistence of the whole needing a connection? You point chopper was connected but then how was he in control of chopper during the whole episode? He was inputting commands the whole time.

1 minute ago, Grimstory said:

He still had to sliced wireless from a ship in space where they did all he slicing...see the inconsistence of the whole needing a connection? You point chopper was connected but then how was he in control of chopper during the whole episode? He was inputting commands the whole time.

I think you're missing his point. The ships were all part of a closed network . This included the ISB controller's computers. When Chopper accessed the ship's systems, he became connected to that closed network, and this is what allowed the ISB agent access to him.

yes he was. Did you miss the part where I said he connected Chop to his network? He could not do this with out first being physically networked to him. It is kind of like a well done bluetooth connection. You can't just connect to a random bluetooth connection. You need to have physical access to the device and put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect. basically he sliced chopper put him in pairing mode then connected to him that way. And then he could control him wirelessly. But until he had a physical connection via a network he controlled he could not do this.

Just now, Tramp Graphics said:

I think you're missing his point. The ships were all part of a closed network . This included the ISB controller's computers. When Chopper accessed the ship's systems, he became connected to that closed network, and this is what allowed the ISB agent access to him.

The ship and station are both closed systems...hence the inconsistence. The ship(one closed system which in the book could be sliced without a physical connect) connects to another close system to counter sliced Chopper and then remotely controls Chopper until they crew stops him.

Just now, Grimstory said:

The ship and station are both closed systems...hence the inconsistence. The ship(one closed system which in the book could be sliced without a physical connect) connects to another close system to counter sliced Chopper and then remotely controls Chopper until they crew stops him.

They were both a part of the same closed system. They weren't separate systems.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

yes he was. Did you miss the part where I said he connected Chop to his network? He could not do this with out first being physically networked to him. It is kind of like a well done bluetooth connection. You can't just connect to a random bluetooth connection. You need to have physical access to the device and put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect. basically he sliced chopper put him in pairing mode then connected to him that way. And then he could control him wirelessly. But until he had a physical connection via a network he controlled he could not do this.

The problem is we have no examples of when someone tries to do it without it as a good example why not. But when he did connect was when a security alert was sent out and got him during the connection.

Yes, ships and places are wirelessly connected, but droids aren't usually connected by a wireless connection, though that rebels episode seemed suspect. I would probably argue it as a oversight, a lazy oversight really that additional explaining only shows how poorly the episode was written. I firmly believe that the empire usually has a firm grip over the holonet (basically, wireless connection) thus the rebels usually have to use other methods of communication to avoid the potential of being hacked.

The main exception to that rule would be the separatist war, which the B1 battle droids were almost entirely wirelessly run. After the battle of Naboo, they started building individual processors into the B2's so that they could function both on and off the grid. That's the main referencing to wireless battle droids I can find, though wireless droids weren't really covered at all in the EU, the lacking technology coudl equally be down to the empire controlling all the communication waves.

Still, by hacking their core processing centre, I consider it possible to mislead a droid that way if it was attached to a

1 minute ago, Grimstory said:

The problem is we have no examples of when someone tries to do it without it as a good example why not. But when he did connect was when a security alert was sent out and got him during the connection.

read the post i linked to. The files in that do exactly that. When you have an IT background the inconsistencies go away because you can see how the network is built. It is not built like our internet.

Just now, Tramp Graphics said:

They were both a part of the same closed system. They weren't separate systems.

One was a ship the other was a station...not the same closed system but if you're saying that all stations and ships are on the same network then that means that theres a wireless connection and hence the problem with the whole need a connection.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

read the post i linked to. The files in that do exactly that. When you have an IT background the inconsistencies go away because you can see how the network is built. It is not built like our internet.

I want to but people keep replying give my 10 minutes.

Most likely to connect to the wireless systems you need to first get the very stong very long encryption key. In order to get it you need to physically plug in. and that key is not kept on local systems. Like how the security certificates for the DNS servers are not kept on a networked computer.

Just now, Grimstory said:

One was a ship the other was a station...not the same closed system but if you're saying that all stations and ships are on the same network then that means that theres a wireless connection and hence the problem with the whole need a connection.

IT's a secure network. As in encrypted , and accessible only to specific computers. It's not like our internet. So yes, it is the same closed system using the same hardware, software, and encryption.

1 hour ago, Grimstory said:

Not stealing droids, abounded droids or ones that attack us. Not wireless, I run up in combat to them and shut them off. Already have a obligation and motives that are the reason for it. You're not asking questions but assuming.

> But that doesnt change what I said about talking to him and our opinions being irrelevant < Wrong Twice now. I'm asking for help with situation and hence for the posting.

You do need to tell us what your discussions with your GM are then. Both sides, your arguement and his. - Would if every time i try to talk more with him tells me he's looking for more info and that's reason for this post is to come up with a fair solution for both parties.

You are missing my point on why I say you need to talk to your GM. He is giving off all the classic symptoms of a GM who wants to tell a player No, but figures it will cause an arguement.

Ask him specifically if he wants you to stop turning off the NPC droids. As in these exact words: 'Do you want me to stop turning off NPC droids'

If his answer is anything other than an immediate 'No, thats not a problem' then that is the problem.

Like most of the posters here, I would not let you just turn off droids. Even civilian ones. If you could just walk up to a droid and press a button and its off, then theft would be rampant. If you did manage to convince me to allow it, I would make sure that you understood that to mean it can happen to you to. Your arguement as to whether PC droids are protected seems to be a completely metagame arguement, that the lack of an N in front of your PC makes you special inside the game rules. It doesnt.

1 minute ago, korjik said:

You are missing my point on why I say you need to talk to your GM. He is giving off all the classic symptoms of a GM who wants to tell a player No, but figures it will cause an arguement.

Ask him specifically if he wants you to stop turning off the NPC droids. As in these exact words: 'Do you want me to stop turning off NPC droids'

If his answer is anything other than an immediate 'No, thats not a problem' then that is the problem.

Like most of the posters here, I would not let you just turn off droids. Even civilian ones. If you could just walk up to a droid and press a button and its off, then theft would be rampant. If you did manage to convince me to allow it, I would make sure that you understood that to mean it can happen to you to. Your arguement as to whether PC droids are protected seems to be a completely metagame arguement, that the lack of an N in front of your PC makes you special inside the game rules. It doesnt.

No you're missing the point, I have. Stop using stealing as a example since i clearly stated that isn't the case. This is metagame conversation, all questions on these forms are in some form metagame. Now that being said. Now protection from N(not sure if you're using this as a place holder or has a actual meaning) is clearly stated when you make a Droid PC but doesn't mean i'm saying it protects me from everything. I'm looking for a fair solution that's for the DM and me but liked i already said in the forms if you checked that this was already worked out. We both find advice and solutions using the forms.