I play both side but I ensure you that I don't want a ship or a squadron that annihilate ''Escort'', one of the best thing that Reb's have for their squadron.

The only way to put this in is if Reb's can do the same with ''swarm'' or ''intel''. Even there, this is not equal too my eyes.

8 hours ago, mobow213 said:

Or they haven't release that info yet. They only showed the ship card model and admiral nithing else.

Possible but unlikely. If you read the product description, the MC75 does not include fighters. Maybe FFG is lying to us, but it seems weird they wouldn't reveal U-Wings with the MC75.

On 28/8/2017 at 2:42 AM, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

So Thrawn is coming to the party. Yay, I guess, but! Joining him is a pair of squadrons, but then you Zoom And Enhance and you see the icons are rogue and...it's almost counter but it isn't . A big arrow with a small one to the side. Could it be "Board?"

Stay with me: in the old games ships about the size of shuttles would board with capital ships for capture operations. With the new trooper upgrades (including Vader himself!) is it possible that this is to those upgrades what relay is to squadrons? Meaning that you can expand your range to include a distance from the Gauntlet fighter?

The problem I see is that there is not something like "boarding actions" covered by the rules. They have not a keyword that allow pointing to them apart of upgrade card. We would need something like they did to flotillas.

On 28/8/2017 at 2:55 AM, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

The Rebels got Raddus, the most powerful thing since Demolisher.

Best joke ever

58 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

The problem I see is that there is not something like "boarding actions" covered by the rules. They have not a keyword that allow pointing to them apart of upgrade card. We would need something like they did to flotillas.

"When a ship resolves the effect of a [Weapons Team/Offensive Upgrade]...."

Also, errata revealed during the preview.

45 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Best joke ever

I agree, letting the MC80 function at the speed and maneuverability of a CR90 is a joke.

On 8/27/2017 at 11:57 PM, thecactusman17 said:

Thrawn may be the most powerful. If it were not for Thrawn, Raddus would undeniably be the most overpowered card in the game, full stop.

Nah. Raddus is a one trick pony. Once you get used to him, he's not that bad to deal with. Thrawn above all is wonderfully flexible. What I like about him is he requires some planning to use. He might be a hair undercosted, but it's not that bad. I'll still be using Vader and Jerry for certain builds.

1 hour ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

"When a ship resolves the effect of a [Weapons Team/Offensive Upgrade]...."

Also, errata revealed during the preview.

But that would interact with other future non-boarding upgrades with the same icons.

Of course errata will fix whatever.

And I am not discarding the possibility. Just pointed an issue that must be solved in order to work that way.

3 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

Possible but unlikely. If you read the product description, the MC75 does not include fighters. Maybe FFG is lying to us, but it seems weird they wouldn't reveal U-Wings with the MC75.

You never know. The fact that they revealed so much of the new ISD but nothing of the MC75 is odd in and of itself. They could be waiting for the next update to drop the U-Wings and talk about the new fighter ability. It's a way to drip feed new and exciting things.

Will they include squadrons in the MC75?

Yes

- Symmetry with Gauntlets in Chimaera pack

- UWings are thematic for a Rogue One ship

- Unrevealed spread

- Satisfy the need to include UWings without forcing a new squadron pack

No

- Product description makes no mention, while Chimaera description mentions Gauntlets

- (Edit) Chimaera arguably needs something tangible to set it apart from the standard ISD, while the Profundity does not

The icon is clearly some kind of boarding action, may it be for ships or other squadronds. Its just too obvious by the icon. Anybody thinking its anything else is just wishful thinking and not looking at it. The icon is literally a bigger triangle being boarded by a smaller triange... like really. Let me guess you thought the bulleye from snipe was gona be a defensive keyword too?

Bomber is literally a bomb.

Cloak looks like something thats vanishing.

Counter is two spiky things.

Escort is again literally a bigger triangle with a smaller one hidding behind.

Relay is a freaking radar dish.

swarm is 3 triangle togheter.

ETC. The icons represent what the keywords do.

While we're speculating on the Gauntlet's potential for performing boarding style actions, yet wondering how the **** you word an ability like that with absolutely no keywords to refer to on the relevant upgrade cards, I'll mention that this is a problem I was complaining about as soon as Wave 6 info came out. It wouldn't have killed them to print the word "Boarding" on these so that we could treat them as a group.

30 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

You never know. The fact that they revealed so much of the new ISD but nothing of the MC75 is odd in and of itself. They could be waiting for the next update to drop the U-Wings and talk about the new fighter ability. It's a way to drip feed new and exciting things.

Because people care about Thrawn more than some guy who's big plan was to ram it.

9 minutes ago, Nostromoid said:

While we're speculating on the Gauntlet's potential for performing boarding style actions, yet wondering how the **** you word an ability like that with absolutely no keywords to refer to on the relevant upgrade cards, I'll mention that this is a problem I was complaining about as soon as Wave 6 info came out. It wouldn't have killed them to print the word "Boarding" on these so that we could treat them as a group.

Im not exactly sure i understand what you are ranting about? There is no keyword among cards, only the commands that might be attached to them or the relevent dices effect. Upgrades card are already treated as groups, look at their upgrade slots requirement.

14 minutes ago, mintek917 said:

Im not exactly sure i understand what you are ranting about? There is no keyword among cards, only the commands that might be attached to them or the relevent dices effect. Upgrades card are already treated as groups, look at their upgrade slots requirement.

Assume that the Gauntlet, or the theoretical U-Wing, or a theoretical future ship or upgrade card has an effect approximately like this:

"When you use a Boarding upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron."

Obviously, that can't be printed in the game. Even though we all know that we're thinking of the cards Boarding Troopers, Boarding Engineers, Cham Syndulla, Darth Vader, and any similar future upgrades, they aren't officially grouped in any way. They just coincidentally have similar effects, similar thematic concepts, and use two upgrade slots.

You can't say: "When you use a dual-slot upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron." Because we could get a different kind of dual slot upgrade, like XWTMG has.

The only possibility is "When you use a dual Offensive Retrofit / Weapons Team upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron." But it's kludgy and limits design. You could never make an upgrade that should thematically synergize with a boarding shuttle unless it uses those two upgrade slots.

46 minutes ago, Nostromoid said:

Will they include squadrons in the MC75?

Yes

- Symmetry with Gauntlet

- UWings are thematic for a Rogue One ship

- Unrevealed spread

- Satisfy the need to include UWings without forcing a new squadron pack

No

- Product description makes no mention, while Chimaera description mentions Gauntlets

And we all know how accurate the articles are.

1 hour ago, kmanweiss said:

You never know. The fact that they revealed so much of the new ISD but nothing of the MC75 is odd in and of itself. They could be waiting for the next update to drop the U-Wings and talk about the new fighter ability. It's a way to drip feed new and exciting things.

More than likely we have fighters to incentivize the sale of the new ISD even though the model is the same. Or a way to sell people a second if they want more for whatever their reasoning.

1 hour ago, Nostromoid said:

Assume that the Gauntlet, or the theoretical U-Wing, or a theoretical future ship or upgrade card has an effect approximately like this:

"When you use a Boarding upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron."

Obviously, that can't be printed in the game. Even though we all know that we're thinking of the cards Boarding Troopers, Boarding Engineers, Cham Syndulla, Darth Vader, and any similar future upgrades, they aren't officially grouped in any way. They just coincidentally have similar effects, similar thematic concepts, and use two upgrade slots.

You can't say: "When you use a dual-slot upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron." Because we could get a different kind of dual slot upgrade, like XWTMG has.

The only possibility is "When you use a dual Offensive Retrofit / Weapons Team upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron." But it's kludgy and limits design. You could never make an upgrade that should thematically synergize with a boarding shuttle unless it uses those two upgrade slots.

All these upgrades have total different effect. The only thing they share in mechanic is close range and discard. They are already grouped, they cost the same slot to equip. They dont need anything more, same that theres no direct link between ICB and LS, aside from being ion canons. There is literally no need for any kind of card keyword, reading the card is self explanatory. Squadron keyword mechanic is an entire different topic and literally has nothing to do with upgrade cards.

On 28.8.2017 at 11:08 AM, JadinED said:

Good point... For Imperial Boarding Squadrons, I'd also rather like to see the Assault Transports...

Delta Class DX-9 Stormtrooper Transport is our prime Assault transport!

On 8/29/2017 at 8:26 PM, DOMSWAT911 said:

I play both side but I ensure you that I don't want a ship or a squadron that annihilate ''Escort'', one of the best thing that Reb's have for their squadron.

The only way to put this in is if Reb's can do the same with ''swarm'' or ''intel''. Even there, this is not equal too my eyes.

The inability of squadrons to meaningfully engage certain enemy squads is very frustrating and is one of the reasons squadrons are so powerful right now. Giving the ability to avoid escort to a few limited squadrons hasn't destroyed the meta yet, there's no reason to believe adding 2 more to the side that actually needs them will terribly undermine it further.

21 hours ago, Nostromoid said:

The only possibility is "When you use a dual Offensive Retrofit / Weapons Team upgrade equipped to one of your ships, you may target a ship at distance 1 of this squadron." But it's kludgy and limits design. You could never make an upgrade that should thematically synergize with a boarding shuttle unless it uses those two upgrade slots.

Or the icon lets you equip one Offensive/Weapon Team upgrade, which you can use when you activate the squadron using a value equal to some number (Like counter's 2)
Boarding 2:
You may equip one [Offensive Retrofit & Weapons Team].
When you activate you may resolve it's effect as though you had spent a [Squadron] dial and have a squadron value of 2.

Then put out an FAQ a week later to answer all the rules lawyers who say nu-uh.

25 minutes ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

Or the icon lets you equip one Offensive/Weapon Team upgrade, which you can use when you activate the squadron using a value equal to some number (Like counter's 2)
Boarding 2:
You may equip one [Offensive Retrofit & Weapons Team].
When you activate you may resolve it's effect as though you had spent a [Squadron] dial and have a squadron value of 2.

Then put out an FAQ 6 months later to answer all the rules lawyers who say nu-uh.

FTFY. It would be a cool concept, but they'd probably just have a similar effect without doing the whole 'equip a card' thing:

Boarding x:
When you activate you may exhaust x defense tokens belonging to an enemy ship at distance 1.

On 8/31/2017 at 9:47 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

FTFY. It would be a cool concept, but they'd probably just have a similar effect without doing the whole 'equip a card' thing:

Boarding x:
When you activate you may exhaust x defense tokens belonging to an enemy ship at distance 1.

There are other cards besides bt

6 hours ago, starbat861 said:

There are other cards besides bt

I know, it was just an example to illustrate how it would be worded without the 'equipping a card' bit.

The new symbol could mean that the squads can take the ships damage if at range one of it???????