1 hour ago, Snipafist said:I have a hard time believing that a ship that's just slightly less durable than a Home One MC80 or Imperial Star Destroyer would be so cheap. I can see the cheapest version coming in at 90+ easily, and it depends on a lot of other factors.
I agree. It has a ton of shields and hull for Rebels, and it's got one of the nastiest double arcs for Rebels. No way this doesn't come in at 100 points.
48 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:Home One is meant to be the Rebel Flagship yet rarely gets game time compared to Liberty version.
Depends on your local meta; at a SC a couple of weeks ago I ended up facing an MC80a in all three rounds, and a two MC80a list just won Australian nationals. They're definitely out there.
Yeah, if anything HMC80s are a not-uncommon sight and LMC80s are generally perceived to be a bit lacking. Of course your meta may vary. I don't think there's anything wrong with either ship. Doom pickle HMC80s are stupid hard to kill, though, so they tend to stick in the imagination a bit more than LMC80s do.
I tend to run away from Doom Pickles. I'll take second player and the 6-5 thank you.
3 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:I tend to run away from Doom Pickles. I'll take second player and the 6-5 thank you.
It's been my experience that Doom Pickle fleets are often packing at least one VCX and a small bid to go second so they don't mind being avoided if it lets them harvest their objective points. If you take second for yourself, that Engine Techs HMC80 is happy to go first.
Not to say they're invincible or anything but I haven't found "run away from it" to be a workable solution unless the fleet was poorly designed.
11 minutes ago, Snipafist said:It's been my experience that Doom Pickle fleets are often packing at least one VCX and a small bid to go second so they don't mind being avoided if it lets them harvest their objective points. If you take second for yourself, that Engine Techs HMC80 is happy to go first.
Not to say they're invincible or anything but I haven't found "run away from it" to be a workable solution unless the fleet was poorly designed.
They hate xi7, killed one on an isd ii double arc from and arc down 2 shields already (was a good roll, but I had commander Vader)
9 minutes ago, Snipafist said:It's been my experience that Doom Pickle fleets are often packing at least one VCX and a small bid to go second so they don't mind being avoided if it lets them harvest their objective points. If you take second for yourself, that Engine Techs HMC80 is happy to go first.
Not to say they're invincible or anything but I haven't found "run away from it" to be a workable solution unless the fleet was poorly designed.
I get to play against Britt who won the MI regionals with his version of the doom pickle. He takes no VCXs. 6 activations, Tycho/Shara and chases me with an ET MC80. It's **** scary. There is no good angle to go at it. With RBD, there is the double ram. The 2 CR90s will love to shoot at the ship in front.
I've yet to see a fleet that can match it.
Actually, Caldias is able to take it on with his 3 MC30s. But I don't play like that.
1 minute ago, Darthain said:They hate xi7, killed one on an isd ii double arc from and arc down 2 shields already (was a good roll, but I had commander Vader)
It didn't have Electronic Countermeasures so it could still brace or Lando to reroll a big mean attack?
Just now, Snipafist said:It didn't have Electronic Countermeasures so it could still brace or Lando to reroll a big mean attack?
That one did not have ECM, correct. It also did not have Lando. Some folks like RBD/AP, and XI7 can crap on that. I am firmly in the ECM crowd, I stopped using in briefly when sloane was released to see how it went, and quickly brought it back.
ECM, RBD, Walex supported by 3 Comms Net, Ahsoka, and Leia. Set up correctly, it can repair 5 hull. It's hard to beat since I tend not to run high hull ships.
1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:I agree. It has a ton of shields and hull for Rebels, and it's got one of the nastiest double arcs for Rebels. No way this doesn't come in at 100 points.
Unless it's speed 2 and lacks a support team slot.
And the defense tokens it gets matters a lot, too. I mean, heck, don't give it a 'brace' - boom, you're dropping points already.
1 hour ago, Grumbleduke said:Depends on your local meta; at a SC a couple of weeks ago I ended up facing an MC80a in all three rounds, and a two MC80a list just won Australian nationals. They're definitely out there.
This so much this. In my local meta the Rebels take all most only small ships, I can not remember the last time a large ship has hit the table, and the mediums only slightly more offten.
36 minutes ago, Darthain said:That one did not have ECM, correct. It also did not have Lando.
Hardly a Doom Pickle at all.
31 minutes ago, xanderf said:Unless it's speed 2 and lacks a support team slot.
And the defense tokens it gets matters a lot, too. I mean, heck, don't give it a 'brace' - boom, you're dropping points already.
If it doesn't have a Brace, I will never use it.
18 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:If it doesn't have a Brace, I will never use it.
So far there hasnt been a ship of the medium or large based persuasion that wasnt packing at least one brace.
28 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:If it doesn't have a Brace, I will never use it.
CR90? MC30? Flotilla? None of those?
9 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:So far there hasnt been a ship of the medium or large based persuasion that wasnt packing at least one brace.
Yeah, I'm not saying this is likely - just pointing out that there are plenty of ways to reduce the cost of a ship by a lot when other stats it have would seem to point to it being some kind of beastly thing. A critical weakness in something we haven't seen yet can easily justify a HUGE price break. (I mean, heck, what if it had the Arquitens maneuver chart, only 1-ticks at the end instead of 2-ticks? Again, easy to see a large price break for that...)
9 minutes ago, geek19 said:CR90? MC30? Flotilla? None of those?
Those are very different than a large ship without a Brace.
Just now, Undeadguy said:Those are very different than a large ship without a Brace.
Ahhh, I was confused. Your initial statement was ANY ship without a brace, hence my confusion. I do agree generally with your statement of "large ship no brace ain't getting fielded" but I want to see what the 75 looks like.
11 minutes ago, geek19 said:Ahhh, I was confused. Your initial statement was ANY ship without a brace, hence my confusion. I do agree generally with your statement of "large ship no brace ain't getting fielded" but I want to see what the 75 looks like.
Yea can't have my battle ship going head to head with an ISD without a Brace.
8 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:Yea can't have my battle ship going head to head with an ISD without a Brace.
Yeah I don't see it being fielded without one unless it's cheap as heck.
Unless it has double defensive retrofit. Then it can be made to work.
2 hours ago, Undeadguy said:I tend to run away from Doom Pickles. I'll take second player and the 6-5 thank you.
Of the three I ran against in that tournament two I managed to block with corvettes and kill with an MC30 (the second I got a lovely double side-arc for two rounds), winning 9-2. One of them even got off its RBDs (after I had it down to 1 hull).
The third one-shot my Mothma, Foresight, ECM MC30c with a 12-damage, 2-accuracy role (after I'd made them re-roll two double hits). That went 1-10. Fun times.
1 hour ago, geek19 said:Ahhh, I was confused. Your initial statement was ANY ship without a brace, hence my confusion. I do agree generally with your statement of "large ship no brace ain't getting fielded" but I want to see what the 75 looks like.
Maybe it will be the first triple defense token ship in game, 3 contains maybe? why not? hey rebels we got for you brand new stuff!!