6 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

You mention a few characters and some weak tie-ins to explain your position that Disney fully embraces the prequels but I invite you to Google "Disney prequels"and read the plethora of articles, written by professionals, who argue that Disney is actively trying to distance themselves from the prequels. Of course they're going to promote Rebels. It's their baby. I give them props for the Maul and Rex story lines but it's hardly a full-on embrace of the prequel films. A Darth Maul film would kill at the box office but they're doing a bunch of spinoffs based on characters from the OT. It remains to be seen if the Obi-Wan and rumored Yoda movies will bring back elements of the prequel films but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

I'm not going to spoil it here in this thread, but if you watched Rebels, you'll know that the climax of the Maul/Obi-Wan storyline leads directly into ANH. Disney had no reason to do that other than they wanted to tie Maul into the original story.

Now, Disney is going to of course promote their new products more than older ones (ie current TV shows and movies) to get people into the theatre and TV ratings, toys, etc., its new and is what is hot, but that doesn't require them to do all the work that the Story Group is doing to bring the PT story into alignment with the OT. You can read up the opinions of others about it, but I would recommend paying attention to the actual actions being taken by Disney, instead of someone else's guess about their intentions.

Its undeniable that Disney has been continuing to use the PT for source material and bringing it into the OT timeline. If you consider that "weak" or not embracing the PT, well, why the heck would they bother to write any of that?

24 minutes ago, Odanan said:

How can you say that in an otherwise reasonable post?

Disney will never make a movie where the main character is an alien. And they are absolutely right about that.

The Superman films did OK at the box office. I'd argue that Maul looks human enough to pull off the lead. He's pretty much a tattooed human with a few horns on his head.

33 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Definitely not the most convincing argument, now that the man spent twenty years trying to ruin his own work.

It's his work and his vision. He just didn't have the technology to make the films the way he wanted so he tinkered with his baby. Some people like the special editions. They don't really bother me. He didn't change that much. We wouldn't even have Star Wars without him so I'm eternally grateful to him for that.

Great thread!

I would want one of the following without to many new mechanics. Every ship that gets released has so many game changing new mechanics or conditions that arent necessarily making the game any better. They are moving to fast with it and should focus on refining the basics. The core of what the game is about.

1. Last Jedi Core Set: Tie Silencer and 2 Resistance A-Wings. The silencer should basically be an Interceptor on steroids. Then add some updated stats on the A-Wings.

2. Phantom Menace Core Set: Maul's ship with a big base and cloak mechanic. Darth Maul would have both an imperial and a scum pilot card. Along with 3 N-1 Starfighters to teach people the concept of #s vs big ships. Again no new mechanics of any significance. Just some cool new arc ships with sweet models and a few pilots. Say what ya want about the Phantom Menace movie...these two ships are cool.

3. Jedi Knight Expansion Pack: Ravens Claw updated done properly HWK-290. More than just a support ship.

Honestly I am probably more excited for the possibilities of the above ships than I am the Gunboat.

37 minutes ago, kris40k said:

I'm not going to spoil it here in this thread, but if you watched Rebels, you'll know that the climax of the Maul/Obi-Wan storyline leads directly into ANH. Disney had no reason to do that other than they wanted to tie Maul into the original story.

Now, Disney is going to of course promote their new products more than older ones (ie current TV shows and movies) to get people into the theatre and TV ratings, toys, etc., its new and is what is hot, but that doesn't require them to do all the work that the Story Group is doing to bring the PT story into alignment with the OT. You can read up the opinions of others about it, but I would recommend paying attention to the actual actions being taken by Disney, instead of someone else's guess about their intentions.

Its undeniable that Disney has been continuing to use the PT for source material and bringing it into the OT timeline. If you consider that "weak" or not embracing the PT, well, why the heck would they bother to write any of that?

I'll believe your argument if Snoke turns out to be Plaguies. Since I doubt that'll happen, I hold to my opinion that Disney's weak links to the prequel era are a premeditated attempt to distance themselves from what are generally considered mediocre to bad movies. I'm not even arguing that they're great movies. I'm just saying there's a lot to tap into there that Disney is leaving on the table.

Huge +1 for a clone wars or Vong (as unlikely as this one is) expansion.

Clone Wars Starter could be:

two vulture droids and a jedi starfighter

ships:

Separatists

Vulture Droid

Scarab Droid

Hyena Bomber

Soulless One

Slave 2 Jango colors

Dooku's Solar Sailer (coordinate piece)

Asajj Ventress's Fin Fighter

Republic

V-Wing

ARC-170

Gunship

N-1 Naboo Starfighter

Naboo Queen's ship (coordinate piece)

The Twilight

Jedi Starfighter variants forever haha

For the Vong war:

stealthX wing

Two coralskippers

33 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

It's his work and his vision. He just didn't have the technology to make the films the way he wanted so he tinkered with his baby.

Technically not.
t the beginnig Lucas had a lot of help (fellow filmmakers, his former wife, and a lot of others) that helped him clean up his work, so that the final product was the fantastic first two SW movies.
Then Lucas began to get rid of that help, and more importantly, to think that he was the lone visionnary that made all by himself. As a result, we got a slighty disappointing third movie, then several pointless "additions" to the OT, and finally those awful prequels.
Yes, G. Lucas had a wonderful idea, thank him for that; but alone he is nothing but a bad sci-fi writer (and an even worse dialog writer ^^).

37 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

I'll believe your argument if Snoke turns out to be Plaguies. Since I doubt that'll happen, I hold to my opinion that Disney's weak links to the prequel era are a premeditated attempt to distance themselves from what are generally considered mediocre to bad movies. I'm not even arguing that they're great movies. I'm just saying there's a lot to tap into there that Disney is leaving on the table.

Why is Snoke being Plagueis key?

I'm with @kris40k. Disney is doing a whole lot to link all of the cinematic elements of the Star Wars storyline together and bring Prequel characters forward. The main difference is that they are doing it subtly, unlike Lucas's ham-fisted attempt to make every OT character possible show up in the first Prequel movie so he could resell updated 30-year-old toys.

7 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Technically not.
t the beginnig Lucas had a lot of help (fellow filmmakers, his former wife, and a lot of others) that helped him clean up his work, so that the final product was the fantastic first two SW movies.
Then Lucas began to get rid of that help, and more importantly, to think that he was the lone visionnary that made all by himself. As a result, we got a slighty disappointing third movie, then several pointless "additions" to the OT, and finally those awful prequels.
Yes, G. Lucas had a wonderful idea, thank him for that; but alone he is nothing but a bad sci-fi writer (and an even worse dialog writer ^^).

And yet you're here discussing his work. If it's that bad, why are you here? If you only like the first two movies, go cling to them and let the rest of the enjoy Star Wars in our own ways I chose to accept all of it. I used to be a purist but, in the end, I decided I was just being petty.

5 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

And yet you're here discussing his work. If it's that bad, why are you here?

Did you read my previous posts? I do find the OT wonderful, I really like some of the works of the EU, and was baffled by R1. But that doesn't mean I have to swallow every piece of s... because there is a "Star Wars" sticker on it.

12 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Why is Snoke being Plagueis key?

I'm with @kris40k. Disney is doing a whole lot to link all of the cinematic elements of the Star Wars storyline together and bring Prequel characters forward. The main difference is that they are doing it subtly, unlike Lucas's ham-fisted attempt to make every OT character possible show up in the first Prequel movie so he could resell updated 30-year-old toys.

I'd argue that the Rogue One cameos were thrown in to move Disney's Rebels toys.

I like all of Star Wars but I get tired of the Lucas bashing while Disney just copies and pastes the OT and calls it a sequel. Don't get me wrong, I like the new stuff. I just feel it could take more risks.

I'm actually glad Disney bought Star Wars because George didn't seem interested in doing much with it besides tinkering. At least, we're getting new material - even if it feels very familiar.

5 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Did you read my previous posts? I do find the OT wonderful, I really like some of the works of the EU, and was baffled by R1. But that doesn't mean I have to swallow every piece of s... because there is a "Star Wars" sticker on it.

Great. Enjoy it in your own way. But, I believe the original premise is that some people want prequel ships in XWM. You don't and your very salty about it. Don't buy the ships, then. Nobody is going to force you to.

1 hour ago, weisguy119 said:

The Superman films did OK at the box office. I'd argue that Maul looks human enough to pull off the lead. He's pretty much a tattooed human with a few horns on his head.

You are kidding, right?

Superman is no alien. He is the idealized American hero.

While Maul is a demon (mute demon - they didn't even had the trouble to give him dialogue lines in TPM).

11 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

I'd argue that the Rogue One cameos were thrown in to move Disney's Rebels toys.

I like all of Star Wars but I get tired of the Lucas bashing while Disney just copies and pastes the OT and calls it a sequel. Don't get me wrong, I like the new stuff. I just feel it could take more risks.

I'm actually glad Disney bought Star Wars because George didn't seem interested in doing much with it besides tinkering. At least, we're getting new material - even if it feels very familiar.

Oh sure. This IP has been about the merchandise since the get go. The toys made George a billionaire, not the films.

As for risks, I think RO was a huge step in the right direction. Edwards didn't think he could kill off the mains; Disney said 'do it.' RO was the first gritty, morally ambiguous film in the SW universe. And most people loved it. With any luck, the new Han Solo stand alone shows us the Solo that can kill a BH in cold blood. Or at least how he got that way.

And I agree that I am happy about the mouse and SW. I think Lucas was done when he realized no one really liked the prequels. The best part, IMHO, is that other people besides Lucas can create SW officially, without his blessing. And Disney has been smart about choosing SW geeks to helm the films. Yeah, TFA was ANH redux, but I'll take it over TPM any day.

3 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Oh sure. This IP has been about the merchandise since the get go. The toys made George a billionaire, not the films.

As for risks, I think RO was a huge step in the right direction. Edwards didn't think he could kill off the mains; Disney said 'do it.' RO was the first gritty, morally ambiguous film in the SW universe. And most people loved it. With any luck, the new Han Solo stand alone shows us the Solo that can kill a BH in cold blood. Or at least how he got that way.

And I agree that I am happy about the mouse and SW. I think Lucas was done when he realized no one really liked the prequels. The best part, IMHO, is that other people besides Lucas can create SW officially, without his blessing. And Disney has been smart about choosing SW geeks to helm the films. Yeah, TFA was ANH redux, but I'll take it over TPM any day.

Rogue One has quickly become one of my favorite Star Wars films. But, since we're criticizing Lucas, it's only fair to point out the character development is extremely weak. Plus, Raddus (who I like very much) is an Ackbar clone.

I too have high hopes for the Han Solo film but I have my reservations. The production of the film has been a mess. Ron Howard is very capable, however. Hopefully, he can save it like the extensive reshoots likely saved RO.

I'll agree TFA is better than TPM but that's probably because it's so similar to ANH.

22 minutes ago, Odanan said:

You are kidding, right?

Superman is no alien. He is the idealized American hero.

While Maul is a demon (mute demon - they didn't even had the trouble to give him dialogue lines in TPM).

Superman is an alien. He just looks human. Vader is a child-murdering monster but he's the most popular film villain of all time.

Why wouldn't a Maul film succeed? I'd wager it would, at least, be as successful as Rogue One. RO had a female lead and those aren't supposed to be successful either.

2 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

Superman is an alien. He just looks human. Vader is a child-murdering monster but he's the most popular film villain of all time.

Why wouldn't a Maul film succeed? I'd wager it would, at least, be as successful as Rogue One. RO had a female lead and those aren't supposed to be successful either.

And here is where I will stop arguing with you.

9 minutes ago, Odanan said:

And here is where I will stop arguing with you.

Fair enough. I don't claim to always be right but I do like a good debate.

Moving back a bit to the original topic: I want every ship you've mentioned. All of them mentioned by everyone. But especially the VT-19 Torrent Star Fighter:

That ship is just... Gangly and awkward and beautiful. I love it.

What I don't want is more core sets. I've got enough damage decks and dice and templates.

I _do_ want SKU reconciliation sets. I want to see all the T-65 X-Wing pilots and upgrades collected into one box. Same with the TIE Fighter.

I want to see more "Most Wanted" style boxes. Imagine something for the Empire that comes with (say) 2 copies of the the TAP some new pilots, but also has new titles for the various Large Imperial ships. Or Rebel box with some new Z-95 pilots, but titles for the YT-2400 etc.

But also? I want that Torrent. It's fantastic.

8 hours ago, MandoBard said:

Personally, I support the idea of adding the N-1, and it's likely we would get the classic color scheme, but for those who argue a different color scheme would be more platable, I whipped this together for you

sorry it's a touch rough I'm out of practice. I can theoretically do other color combos if you ask(also have the engines on a separate layer than main body). Not sure why I went blue gray. I meant to add some patching/scorch marks, but not overly my skill area

Different color combos you say? Well then...

Take the blue and grey, give it some orange or yellow pinstriping or just a stripe, or make the glow orange.

Next, green and purple like the Mandalorion ships. Yellow glow.

Then lime green with orange highlights and red signals (like Zam's speeder) . Red glow or yellow, red to stand out, yellow to unify the look.

One a solid dark chrome with purple engine glow.



And finally the favorite schemes of the OLDEGUYS.

Dingy, rusty brown all over with faded red highlights, and red/pink engine glow.

and one powder white with a darkened windscreen and green glow.

6 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Great thread!

I would want one of the following without to many new mechanics. Every ship that gets released has so many game changing new mechanics or conditions that arent necessarily making the game any better. They are moving to fast with it and should focus on refining the basics. The core of what the game is about.

1. Last Jedi Core Set: Tie Silencer and 2 Resistance A-Wings. The silencer should basically be an Interceptor on steroids. Then add some updated stats on the A-Wings.

2. Phantom Menace Core Set: Maul's ship with a big base and cloak mechanic. Darth Maul would have both an imperial and a scum pilot card. Along with 3 N-1 Starfighters to teach people the concept of #s vs big ships. Again no new mechanics of any significance. Just some cool new arc ships with sweet models and a few pilots. Say what ya want about the Phantom Menace movie...these two ships are cool.

3. Jedi Knight Expansion Pack: Ravens Claw updated done properly HWK-290. More than just a support ship.

Honestly I am probably more excited for the possibilities of the above ships than I am the Gunboat.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/251968/star-wars-the-top-20-coolest-spaceships

That list has some nice ones. The Clawcraft and Jedi interceptors are iconic.

I do like the TIE silencer. I don't like the Gorilla AT-AT or the cigar-smoking-pie-slice dreadnought, but that new TIE is new enough that I don't feel like I'm being fed leftovers.

The A-wings are re-heated leftovers though.

I'm hoping that the A-wing's stay the same as the current A-wings but get new titles or the likes so we can start flying them more!.

16 hours ago, MandoBard said:

Personally, I support the idea of adding the N-1, and it's likely we would get the classic color scheme, but for those who argue a different color scheme would be more platable, I whipped this together for you

sorry it's a touch rough I'm out of practice. I can theoretically do other color combos if you ask(also have the engines on a separate layer than main body). Not sure why I went blue gray. I meant to add some patching/scorch marks, but not overly my skill area

Personally, as much I would like to see the N-1 in X-Wing, I would want to see more the N-X Police Cruiser, however sadly it's an air speeder and regulated more to the atmosphere so some sort of ground expansion would be needed, or at least an atmosphere expansion.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/N-X_Police_Cruiser

We have an Original Trilogy Core Set, and a Sequel Trilogy one. I can imagine a Prequel Trilogy one sometime later, but a TLJ Core Set would make sense to me.

A campaign box or a mission box for example, or new game modes like 1v1 duels or sth like that would be lovely, though.

Rogue One Core Set