I've mentioned it before, but it's really very simple how to add prequel/clone wars ships to the game.

Rebel faction becomes Light Side faction with subfactions of Republic, Alliance, and Resistance.

Imperial faction becomes Dark Side faction with subfactions of Confederacy, Empire, and First Order.

Scum stays the same. Although they could certainly do mando, black sun, etc subfactions at some point.

Boom problem solved. And it's not exactly my original idea it's basically how many multi era sw games work like Galaxy of Heroes for example.

6 minutes ago, markcsoul said:

I've mentioned it before, but it's really very simple how to add prequel/clone wars ships to the game.

Rebel faction becomes Light Side faction with subfactions of Republic, Alliance, and Resistance.

Imperial faction becomes Dark Side faction with subfactions of Confederacy, Empire, and First Order.

Scum stays the same. Although they could certainly do mando, black sun, etc subfactions at some point.

Boom problem solved. And it's not exactly my original idea it's basically how many multi era sw games work like Galaxy of Heroes for example.

Cept the republic is being controlled by the dark side but I get the point

16 minutes ago, The Inquisitor said:

One thing that I've been wondering about since the episode 7 ships came out. Is there a plan in the future to split rebellion and resistance and empire and first order?

The thing that makes that look unlikely is all the upgrades that are "rebel only" or "imperial only". I don't know how you split those up.

So Rebels and Imperials have a sub-faction. Scum needs a sub-faction now. The upgrades issue should prevent the splitting of Resistance and Rebels like you say. There are so many things that can be done in the future for this game.

A primary hope I have is for more releases that help lists with 4 or more ships. X-wing is space chess, and the game to me becomes way more interesting with more pieces on the board.

• Ships costed below 12 points
• More ship options below 18 points. Despite 12 waves, the options here are sparse.
• Squadron upgrades that encourage single ship type lists. 4 X-wings or 4 StarVipers flying together is very pretty.
• Adaptive list building elements. Cikatro Vizago is the first example we have.
• More defensive upgrades that limit burst damage. R4-D6 is the best example.
• Upgrades that encourage blocking. Upgraded versions of Anti-Pursuit Lasers and Ion-Projector would be nice.

To me the option pool of pilots and upgrades is just beginning to feel like it has sufficient depth to truly allow for the freedom of expression I wish to have in list-building. I mean, Imperials just got access to the turret slot.

9 minutes ago, MandoBard said:

Cept the republic is being controlled by the dark side but I get the point

It could potentially work. Introducing an optional alignment system could definitely allow you a new way to set up your fleet with Pubs, CIS, Old Pub and Sith, with still the choice of just making it Rebs vs Imps. Of course a whole new core set / expansion would most likely need to be made to implement this.

6 hours ago, SwordOwaR said:

The N-1 certainly looks much better than that horrid Wookie ship.

This x 1000

1 hour ago, Giledhil said:

Galactic Civil War IS Star Wars.

Both George Lucas and the current Lucasfilm Story Group would argue this and I believe they both have infinitely more credibility than you on what is and isn't Star Wars.

I used to be a purist but it's so limiting. There's a much larger galaxy out there if you open your mind and accept ideas beyond the first 3 movies. I used to be massively anti-Vong but I read Vector Prime and it's actually a pretty good book, IMO. The problem with the Vong is they dragged that storyline on WAY too long. At that point in the old canon, the Jedi and Sith had become so powerful that they had to introduce the Vong just to provide a greater threat. They jumped the shark with the Vong, for sure. They should've wrapped them up in a few books instead of 20+.

I really enjoyed the prequels, minus episode II (I did enjoy parts of it and the clones though). I however don't want to see the Republic and CIS intermingling with the Empire and Rebels. It's just an immersion thing for me. Absolutely love the prequel ships though. So seeing some older relics added to the game is nice for early Imperial service or desperation grabs by the Alliance.

I think we will in time get a campaign. Far too much interest in HoTAC for FFG to not delve into that. Also I feel we will get more themed box sets, I mean they still haven't capitalized on things such as Rogue One.

Non X-Wing side note. I wish the mouse would delve back into the prequels (specifically episode I) with literature media. Qui-Gonna Jinn was probably my favourite character and it's a shame they have so few books on him and his time with Obi-Wan. (I know about the Jedi Apprentice series, but I can't find them in stores) Would be amazing to get some new stories on that.

6 hours ago, Giledhil said:

There's no question of realism in SW. Blocky and rusty is a visual trademark of that universe. Without it, it doesn't look like Star Wars, no matter any kind of dreamed "realism", that doesn't apply to a world with space wizards.

Correction: blocky and rusty WAS a visual trademark until George Lucas (you know, the creator of said universe) made the prequels. Your self-limiting idea of a visual trademark has no more validity than the application of reality to a Sci-Fi fantasy universe.

12 minutes ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

Non X-Wing side note. I wish the mouse would delve back into the prequels (specifically episode I) with literature media. Qui-Gonna Jinn was probably my favourite character and it's a shame they have so few books on him and his time with Obi-Wan. (I know about the Jedi Apprentice series, but I can't find them in stores) Would be amazing to get some new stories on that.

I can't see how the upcoming Obi-Wan movie can exclude Qui-Gon. He was such an influential person in his life that the movie would have a giant hole without him.

It's odd that Disney claims that everything from the films and the animated shows are hard canon but they avoid the Prequel Era like the plague. Like them, or not, the prequels introduced some interesting new elements to the Star Wars universe. It would be a shame to leave ALL of it on the table.

I'd say that the format of competitive games needs to be shaken up, perhaps introduce mission cards like in Armada. Bring three each alongside your lists, and whoever has initiative picks one of their opponent's for the game.

39 minutes ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

I really enjoyed the prequels, minus episode II (I did enjoy parts of it and the clones though). I however don't want to see the Republic and CIS intermingling with the Empire and Rebels. It's just an immersion thing for me. Absolutely love the prequel ships though. So seeing some older relics added to the game is nice for early Imperial service or desperation grabs by the Alliance.

I hated the prequels, but that in no way makes me not want to have those ships for XWM. I really think there are enough people like yourself that prequel ships really need to be incorporated. Some may work in both arenas (CW and leftovers used in the GCW). I would love to be able to mix things up play-wise simply by choosing and era: Ep 1-3, Ep 4-6, and Ep 7-9. And then, just for sheer XWM gloriousnessnessness, mix everything together for the Battle of the Eras Omelet.

16 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

I can't see how the upcoming Obi-Wan movie can exclude Qui-Gon. He was such an influential person in his life that the movie would have a giant hole without him.

It's odd that Disney claims that everything from the films and the animated shows are hard canon but they avoid the Prequel Era like the plague. Like them, or not, the prequels introduced some interesting new elements to the Star Wars universe. It would be a shame to leave ALL of it on the table.

Personally, I think they should remake the Prequels and tell them from Obi-Wan's POV. That way, they could be retold but not as a strict remake.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

I hated the prequels, but that in no way makes me not want to have those ships for XWM. I really think there are enough people like yourself that prequel ships really need to be incorporated. Some may work in both arenas (CW and leftovers used in the GCW). I would love to be able to mix things up play-wise simply by choosing and era: Ep 1-3, Ep 4-6, and Ep 7-9. And then, just for sheer XWM gloriousnessnessness, mix everything together for the Battle of the Eras Omelet.

I can definitely respect that, I guess I could see myself doing that from time to time for the fun of it. I'm just more a themeist haha.

16 minutes ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

I can definitely respect that, I guess I could see myself doing that from time to time for the fun of it. I'm just more a themeist haha.

Are you trying to say that Luke, Leia and Anakin vs. Vader and Kylo Ren is weird??

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

Are you trying to say that Luke, Leia and Anakin vs. Vader and Kylo Ren is weird??

No, not at all! Haha

47 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

I can't see how the upcoming Obi-Wan movie can exclude Qui-Gon. He was such an influential person in his life that the movie would have a giant hole without him.

It's odd that Disney claims that everything from the films and the animated shows are hard canon but they avoid the Prequel Era like the plague.

Yea Qui-gon seems very likely, seeing as half the reason obi-wan went into solitude was to learn from him about how to become one with the force.

Plus since he is only in voice form would be super easy for neeson to do. And I'm sure he would as he's already voiced him on several clone wars episodes.

In regards to Disney's actions towards the prequels...i don't think it's quite that bad. They obviously are embracing their new movies the most. And since they have more ties to the OT than the PT they haven't focused on the prequels as much.

But they still show up in rebels a lot, as well as many video games and toys.

3 hours ago, markcsoul said:

I've mentioned it before, but it's really very simple how to add prequel/clone wars ships to the game.

Rebel faction becomes Light Side faction with subfactions of Republic, Alliance, and Resistance.

Imperial faction becomes Dark Side faction with subfactions of Confederacy, Empire, and First Order.

Scum stays the same. Although they could certainly do mando, black sun, etc subfactions at some point.

Boom problem solved. And it's not exactly my original idea it's basically how many multi era sw games work like Galaxy of Heroes for example.

I honestly can't see how people can be so against this. If you don't want to play as The Republic or CIS, don't buy the ships. Problem solved. Then, they say they don't want to play against those ships because it break immersion, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. I guess having First Order ships battling Rebellion Era ships doesn't count. Or, having Imp vs Imp or Rebel vs Rebel games are somehow more acceptable. Let's break it down into what it really is - some people just can't accept the prequels or the animated shows.

7 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

Let's break it down into what it really is - some people just can't accept the prequels or the animated shows.

Yup. And why it matters is beyond me...i have yet to get a copy of the episode the ship appears in as "required watching. "

13 hours ago, Rogue Nine said:

I'd say that the format of competitive games needs to be shaken up, perhaps introduce mission cards like in Armada. Bring three each alongside your lists, and whoever has initiative picks one of their opponent's for the game.

Definitely, more competitive modes like in Armada could be adopted as options.

13 hours ago, weisguy119 said:

I can't see how the upcoming Obi-Wan movie can exclude Qui-Gon. He was such an influential person in his life that the movie would have a giant hole without him.

It's odd that Disney claims that everything from the films and the animated shows are hard canon but they avoid the Prequel Era like the plague. Like them, or not, the prequels introduced some interesting new elements to the Star Wars universe. It would be a shame to leave ALL of it on the table.

Can't really say that with how much Disney loves Rebels and how they have worked The Clone Wars series directly into the DNA and therefore leading directly into Rogue One. Case in point:

Captain Rex, Sabine Wren, and Maul.

Capt. Rex guy was a main supporting character throughout The Clone Wars animated series, and therefore the prequels, and was brought into Rebels with his own character building episodes, including one where they "finish the war" versus an army of droids. Maul's existence, let alone appearances, follows what happened there as well. Sabine Wren, the darksaber, and the Mandalorian factions continues the events of The Clone Wars. You cannot watch Rebels without acknowledging all that happened in the The Clone Wars and by extension, the prequels.

All of these stories were purposely written to pull the two series together and intertwine them.

Rebels was then tied into the DNA of Rogue One with Chopper and the Ghost's appearance at the Rebel base, and the verbal acknowledgement of General Syndulla at the base and their involvement (with multiple on screen appearances that had to be created on purpose) at the Battle of Scariff. This links Rebels directly into the Original Trilogy; by extension, all of the rest is brought into alignment.

None of this was required. The Battle of Scariff could have proceeded without the cast of Rebels ever showing up. But they did it. Purposely and repeatedly.

The Story Group, and therefore Disney, is not shying away from the Prequel Era.

PS

How we can be even amusing the idea that Disney or FFG is staying away from the prequels while we just ended up with the Havoc bursting onto the scene and bombing the **** out of everyone when its main entry into the Universe was in Star Wars: Starfighter, which is a prequel era game, is kinda silly.

49 minutes ago, kris40k said:

How we can be even amusing the idea that Disney or FFG is staying away from the prequels while we just ended up with the Havoc bursting onto the scene and bombing the **** out of everyone when its main entry into the Universe was in Star Wars: Starfighter, which is a prequel era game, is kinda silly.

Havoc is actually one of the few Prequel-era ships that has been seen in Galactic Civil War media, appearing in the game Star Wars Galaxies, so it was likely that it would've eventually appeared in X-Wing. Some other Prequel-era ships that have appeared during the GCW and early years of the Empire are the N-1 Starfighter, Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light interceptor, Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wing Starfighter and Scimitar.

Unfortunately, some prequel-era ships that I'd like to see in X-Wing but never appeared in any GCW media are the NB-1S Royal Bomber, Zoomer, Trade Federation droid bomber, Borvo the Hutt's freighter and the BTL-B Y-wing Starfighter.

Personally, I support the idea of adding the N-1, and it's likely we would get the classic color scheme, but for those who argue a different color scheme would be more platable, I whipped this together for you

sorry it's a touch rough I'm out of practice. I can theoretically do other color combos if you ask(also have the engines on a separate layer than main body). Not sure why I went blue gray. I meant to add some patching/scorch marks, but not overly my skill area

9 hours ago, kris40k said:

Can't really say that with how much Disney loves Rebels and how they have worked The Clone Wars series directly into the DNA and therefore leading directly into Rogue One. Case in point:

Captain Rex, Sabine Wren, and Maul.

And Ahsoka. Not to mention, she is already in the game. . .

1 hour ago, MandoBard said:

Personally, I support the idea of adding the N-1, and it's likely we would get the classic color scheme, but for those who argue a different color scheme would be more platable, I whipped this together for you

Repaint. It's that easy.

9 hours ago, kris40k said:

Can't really say that with how much Disney loves Rebels and how they have worked The Clone Wars series directly into the DNA and therefore leading directly into Rogue One. Case in point:

Captain Rex, Sabine Wren, and Maul.

Capt. Rex guy was a main supporting character throughout The Clone Wars animated series, and therefore the prequels, and was brought into Rebels with his own character building episodes, including one where they "finish the war" versus an army of droids. Maul's existence, let alone appearances, follows what happened there as well. Sabine Wren, the darksaber, and the Mandalorian factions continues the events of The Clone Wars. You cannot watch Rebels without acknowledging all that happened in the The Clone Wars and by extension, the prequels.

All of these stories were purposely written to pull the two series together and intertwine them.

Rebels was then tied into the DNA of Rogue One with Chopper and the Ghost's appearance at the Rebel base, and the verbal acknowledgement of General Syndulla at the base and their involvement (with multiple on screen appearances that had to be created on purpose) at the Battle of Scariff. This links Rebels directly into the Original Trilogy; by extension, all of the rest is brought into alignment.

None of this was required. The Battle of Scariff could have proceeded without the cast of Rebels ever showing up. But they did it. Purposely and repeatedly.

The Story Group, and therefore Disney, is not shying away from the Prequel Era.

PS

How we can be even amusing the idea that Disney or FFG is staying away from the prequels while we just ended up with the Havoc bursting onto the scene and bombing the **** out of everyone when its main entry into the Universe was in Star Wars: Starfighter, which is a prequel era game, is kinda silly.

You mention a few characters and some weak tie-ins to explain your position that Disney fully embraces the prequels but I invite you to Google "Disney prequels"and read the plethora of articles, written by professionals, who argue that Disney is actively trying to distance themselves from the prequels. Of course they're going to promote Rebels. It's their baby. I give them props for the Maul and Rex story lines but it's hardly a full-on embrace of the prequel films. A Darth Maul film would kill at the box office but they're doing a bunch of spinoffs based on characters from the OT. Even the Disney sequel trilogy looks to be a carbon copy of the plot structure of the OT. I'd love for Snoke to be Plaquies but I'm sure he'll be a new Disney-created character. It's remains to be seen if the Obi-Wan and rumored Yoda movies will bring back elements of the prequel films but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

24 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

A Darth Maul film would kill at the box office

How can you say that in an otherwise reasonable post?

Disney will never make a movie where the main character is an alien. And they are absolutely right about that.

23 hours ago, weisguy119 said:

George Lucas would argue this

Definitely not the most convincing argument, now that the man spent twenty years trying to ruin his own work.