What happens when Tua is discarded? Do they lose the defensive retrofit as well?

15 minutes ago, Formynder4 said:

What happens when Tua is discarded? Do they lose the defensive retrofit as well?

The precedence to that in other games has been "No"

But we've got no specific advice or precedence to use in Armada for that.

2 hours ago, Formynder4 said:

What happens when Tua is discarded? Do they lose the defensive retrofit as well?

Why wouldn't you just discard the retrofit? If Tua is on a Arq you're only going to lose one upgrade even if one does get discarded when Tua does and then that would be opponent's choice.

When building a fleet, upgrade cards can be equipped to ships by adding their fleet point costs to the total fleet point cost. For each upgrade icon in a ship’s upgrade bar, it may equip one upgrade card with the matching upgrade icon.

Unless I'm mistaken, the restriction on upgrade cards applies only at fleet-building time, and is not an ongoing constraint.

7 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Unless I'm mistaken, the restriction on upgrade cards applies only at fleet-building time, and is not an ongoing constraint.

I'd agree with that. But does it really matter? I know you always want to get a two for one but is there any benefit to having Tua if you've gotten rid of the "bonus" upgrade?

1 minute ago, Frimmel said:

I'd agree with that. But does it really matter? I know you always want to get a two for one but is there any benefit to having Tua if you've gotten rid of the "bonus" upgrade?

How would you get rid of the bonus upgrade? Vader only removes an officer.

2 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

How would you get rid of the bonus upgrade? Vader only removes an officer.

I thought Vader was getting rid of any upgrade that isn't the commander. In your case I'm out to lunch.

1 minute ago, Frimmel said:

I thought Vader was getting rid of any upgrade that isn't the commander. In your case I'm out to lunch.

Maybe I'm wrong? I dunno, I'm all over the place this morning between this and work, heh.

10 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

How would you get rid of the bonus upgrade? Vader only removes an officer.

My Zoom in led me to believe it was a certai number of non-Commander upgrades.

Since the image seems 'thicker' than the Officer slot symbol. But man, I'v ebeen working 8 hour graveyards doing text transcription on top of the all day fathering schtick, so my eyes are burned out

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

My Zoom in led me to believe it was a certai number of non-Commander upgrades.

Since the image seems 'thicker' than the Officer slot symbol,

Aaaah, upon further review, I think you guys are right.

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4 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Maybe I'm wrong? I dunno, I'm all over the place this morning between this and work, heh.

I just know elsewhere the talk is Vader kills any upgrade that isn't the commander. If he kills and officer, then this is a conversation. If he kills any upgrade, then this is still a conversation but in practical terms it shouldn't matter much as you can just kill the problematic retrofit.

1 minute ago, Ardaedhel said:

Aaaah, upon further review, I think you guys are right.

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Zoom in seems to indicate Vader can remove any upgrade but commanders. This includes, officiers, titles, all support upgrades. It can royally **** up stuff like Yavaris and interdictor that are on the field for pretty much one upgrade only lol.

3 hours ago, Formynder4 said:

What happens when Tua is discarded? Do they lose the defensive retrofit as well?

No.

That's only relevant during fleet building.

Fortunately, Reinforced Blast Doors is not an Officer. Vader is more than welcome to hack away at them though.

The better question is:

Do I get points for killing the Officer?

12 minutes ago, Warlord Zepnick said:

Fortunately, Reinforced Blast Doors is not an Officer. Vader is more than welcome to hack away at them though.

The better question is:

Do I get points for killing the Officer?

Not unless you kill the ship. It's in the FAQ

30 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Not unless you kill the ship. It's in the FAQ

Darn. Would have been nice to score an extra 10 after decapitating Adar.

12 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

Unless I'm mistaken, the restriction on upgrade cards applies only at fleet-building time, and is not an ongoing constraint.

I would agree with this line of reasoning, as Profundity also allows you to dump an officer to your launched ship, therefore allowing them to have two officers.

I would almost liken it to this situation: If you get rid of Needa on an enemy ship, do they lose the Evade?

My two cents

39 minutes ago, Card Knight said:

I would agree with this line of reasoning, as Profundity also allows you to dump an officer to your launched ship, therefore allowing them to have two officers.

I would almost liken it to this situation: If you get rid of Needa on an enemy ship, do they lose the Evade?

My two cents

Profundity is worded as to require there to be 'space' on the receiving ship, no?

2 hours ago, Green Knight said:

Profundity is worded as to require there to be 'space' on the receiving ship, no?

You get a mini build phase there XD

Vader doesn't unequip, just discard.

If a ship’s upgrade card is discarded, it is flipped facedown but remains equipped for the purposes of scoring.

When a card is discarded or flipped facedown, its effect is no longer active in the game.

So Needa is clear I think. He replace something at the start of the first round. He has an specific time. No sense on being an on going effect.

But Tua doesn't work that way. If we agree about she not being an on going effect so she doesn't need to be "active", what about Motti? We have a FAQ that told us to treat him as an on going effect, right?

I told you: the big thing was the next FAQ, not those plastic pieces

I have the same doubt, as always the timing of things is very important, I think if Tua is "flipped" (I prefer say Vader Kill her O,..,O muhahaha) ECM or whatever defensive card is out, but reading other people arguments maybe I'm wrong. I need faqs again >.<

Vader triggers.

Tua is discarded.

Nothing else happens.

Very thematic though