Is it just me, or are Raddus and the Profundity really bad?

By AllWingsStandyingBy, in Star Wars: Armada

I think Raddus will prove to be competitively strong.

Profundity seems like more of a gimmick, but 1%er upgrades are fun in their own right- Hyperspace Assault a CR90 onto the table, Raddus a Profundity next to that CR90, then Profundity in a Pelta and RLB in some B-Wings... is it good? Well, no. But it sounds fun.

2 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

What else do you have in mind? To a certain degree, Raddus lets Rebels ignore activation disadvantage for placing a single ship. Sure, one target can escape, fat lot of good that does targets two and three.

Raddus/Profundity aside, I'm incredulous at anyone's minimizing of the "engaging favorably" concept.

...it's kind of what the entire game is about....

I dont see how hes bad for his cost. You can warp in a fresh, undamaged large ship in close rage with another one. If i could have that as imperial id play something like double ISD and ram something and spawn the other ISD right next there and just kill anything lol. I mean even if a rebel ship went around my first ISD, this Hyperspace ISD can just spawn distance 1 in my back side blocking their ship from ever escaping. Im pretty sure MC80, Liberty, MC30 can all use this very well.

1 minute ago, Derpzilla88 said:

So if I bring the Profundity with Admiral Raddus, a small-base ship, a medium-base ship, and my Hyperspace Assault is chosen as the objective, and I manage to make that fill 400 points...

Does that mean I could deploy none of my ships if I wanted to?

No you count as tabled at the start of round 1.

Raddus seems like a pretty good counter to Sloane tie swarms - no need for your tooled up big ship to have to endure swarms of token sapping fighters now, get straight to the carrier!

Will require some clever placing and timing mind. Maybe a gunnery team Lib placed so it threatens three ships leading to hard choices.

Just now, Rocmistro said:

Raddus/Profundity aside, I'm incredulous at anyone's minimizing of the "engaging favorably" concept.

...it's kind of what the entire game is about....

I think the point was more that activation advantage stops being useful at a certain point, and instead that large number of small ships can become something of a traffic headache as you try to organize everything. There's also how (WARNING: Opinion incoming) hyped activation advantage is, to the point discussions about it are almost worthless.

41 minutes ago, ElSee said:

MC-75 is how you design a good looking ship for a new Star Wars film.

TAKE NOTE EPISODE 8 DESIGNERS. ROGUE ONE GOT YOU BEAT.

And the U-Wing...and the TIE Striker...and the various imperial shuttles...they really crushed it from a design perspective in R1.

I actually like the designs for Episode 8 that we've seen before. I just think R1 really nailed it.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

No you count as tabled at the start of round 1.

That's a shame. At least I tried.

4 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

I think the point was more that activation advantage stops being useful at a certain point, and instead that large number of small ships can become something of a traffic headache as you try to organize everything. There's also how (WARNING: Opinion incoming) hyped activation advantage is, to the point discussions about it are almost worthless.

To back you up here, as we've seen with recent top 3 tournament fleets, quality of activation is just as essential as activation advantage.

8 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

Could you chain this?

Raddus on ship A. He drops Profundity. Profundity drops ship C.

Beyond the sneak attack style moves you could pull, you could just use it all at the start of the game giving you some interesting positioning for flanking maneuvers or completing objectives. Heck, you could start with ships on objectives. This wouldn't hurt your activations, and if you drop a large ship at distance one, then a small ship distance one from that...well, that's some incredible range at the start of the game.

I can't stop thinking of great little stunts you could pull.

Raddus is at medium range, drops the profundity in at close range to the target, then you drop a light into a rear arc. Or the extended drop line to suddenly threaten a quasar in the back ranks. Or chain drop a hammerhead in behind the lines to take out a flotilla with the help of rapid launch bayed bombers.

12 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

So if I bring the Profundity with Admiral Raddus, a small-base ship, a medium-base ship, and my Hyperspace Assault is chosen as the objective, and I manage to make that fill 400 points...

Does that mean I could deploy none of my ships if I wanted to?

ahahah don't you automatically lose the game if you do that?

edit: I mean, that would be a sweet display of Russian dolls armada xD

Edited by Sybreed
25 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Doesn't help that the Rebel admiral from the last wave was also garbage and the Imperial admiral was great.

Wave 6? Leia and Sloane? Leia's great, what ARE you talking about?

As happening with the new rebel stuff recently, Raddus comes with more "You can't do this" text in his card than any other thing. Sad, another potentially good commander broken by the fear of too moderate developers afraid of the Imperial fanboys reactions.

Has the MC75, 9 hull? Or is my eyesight wrong? :)

44 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

I'm going to challenge that right now.

I can normally get a pretty good MC30 2 way pickle going. Raddus is going to make that 3 way. That means you're going to lose 2 ships on my clobber turn. Raddus fits my playstyle perfectly.

"The Raddus Three-Way" is almost as Dirty as "Jan's and Biggs' Moustache Ride"

4 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Has the MC75, 9 hull? Or is my eyesight wrong? :)

Nope! Looks like a 9 to me! :-)

Ackbar on a MC75...hmmmm... still atleast 5 reds on the side...Oh you want to block my path forward with a small ship, say hello to my 3 black and 2 blue dice... Conga line (Line astern formation) seems a bit better now ;)

28 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

No you count as tabled at the start of round 1.

Hence why we have flotillas ;)

8 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

"The Raddus Three-Way" is almost as Dirty as "Jan's and Biggs' Moustache Ride"

Hey, whatever gets you to the finish line, amirite?

29 minutes ago, svelok said:

I think Raddus will prove to be competitively strong.

Profundity seems like more of a gimmick, but 1%er upgrades are fun in their own right- Hyperspace Assault a CR90 onto the table, Raddus a Profundity next to that CR90, then Profundity in a Pelta and RLB in some B-Wings... is it good? Well, no. But it sounds fun.

Okay, I'm totally going to have to do this (except you can't profundity in a Pelta. Command 1 only, you just have the Profundity bring the fighters). Of course, No one would ever pick your HA objective if you were running that, so it would at least give you a good bet on which of your activations they WOULD choose.

Raddius is amazing, not so sure about the Profundity imo.

As mentioned several times you could seriously freak out the imperial player with that MC30 sitting in hyperspace.
All you have to do is have an MC30 not show up until it can sit perfectly behind/beside your target. If he bubblewraps it with fighters, cool he wasted a ton of points as now his other ship is wide open for your fighters to devour.

Just now, Rocmistro said:

Hey, whatever gets you to the finish line, amirite?

Just know I'm judging you, silently shaking my head the rest of this thread.

:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P

1 minute ago, Admiral Theia said:

Okay, I'm totally going to have to do this (except you can't profundity in a Pelta. Command 1 only, you just have the Profundity bring the fighters). Of course, No one would ever pick your HA objective if you were running that, so it would at least give you a good bet on which of your activations they WOULD choose.

Indeed. Raddus should also work nicely with Superior Positions. Lots of pewpew in the hiney. (Damnit, Dras, I'm doing it again!!!)

Just now, Rocmistro said:

Indeed. Raddus should also work nicely with Superior Positions. Lots of pewpew in the hiney. (Damnit, Dras, I'm doing it again!!!)

Lol like the Joker from Batman :D

4 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Hence why we have flotillas ;)

Admiral must be on the table.